Year end awards for Player rank in each category

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This is a suggestion I brought up in a recent thread I started concerning Photographers of the Year awards, and thought it was worth bringing up again in the idea section for member's and Pixoto's consideration.

Basically, it was a suggestion to Pixoto concerning Ralph Harvey's (and others) complaint that Player Position, which is encouraged by Pixoto for members to rise to and achieve in ranking, is a meaningless segment of this site. There are no points or awards involved at year's end, with the result that many members resent the fact that the only true recognition of their efforts on this site are one's yearly top ten scoring photos and a red Best Photographers of the Year banner on their profile page for the top 20 in each category. My suggestion follows.

"Here's something for everyone to chew on, as well as Pixoto staff, and perhaps satisfy those togs who think player position at the end of the year should be rewarded and recognized in some manner.

Since player position means squat right now in the grand scheme of things, except for the fact that the top players for the year are shown in each category, as are the top scoring images in each category, I would suggest the following change:

Under Accolades, an award should be shown for the top 20 players in each category, giving their rank, plus additional points for this award...something like 20,000 points for first, 19,000 for second and so on down to number 20 which would receive 1.000 points. Another way to do this would be to create a separate Players Accolade section above or below the regular Accolades section. The significance of both the Players Accolade and Accolades section should be fully explained by Pixoto as to how these awards are earned so there are not so many questions and complaints at the end of the year, as there have been in the past.

Just a thought."
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I think its a great idea John but Pixoto will not likely take it on as there is no way to use it to boost stock !

By having a top 20 togs in each category each with 10 images is a stock promotion of 200 images in each category where as 20 top togs in each category is just a list of names and the latter will do nothing to boost the site !

There has been several posts on a couple of threads on this and other questions about this and similar subjects and apart from the one promoted response there has been squat interest from Pixoto !
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Thank you John for putting this in topic of its own. We will keep and eye for this (and other topic too) so all suggestions are more then welcome.
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Yes, but will you do anything about it? Since its now in its own thread, let me repeat myself - there is no reason why Pixoto can't issue both awards, rather than continuing the subterfuge that leaderboard standings mean anything. Additionally, I would suggest that you also award daily/monthly/yearly for top scoring photos sitewide, as they are listed on your LEADERBOARD.
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Well they will keep an eye on it !!!

so no it wont be taken seriously and no it wont be implemented !

And Yes i am getting Cynical but the subject was ignored last year the same is happening this year and i don't doubt it will be exactly the same next year when they will ignore us again and do there own thing !!
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Maybe Pixoto should put it to a vote...
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You make it sound like we could actually make any difference ? all we can do is complain and put up with it !!

That's all it ever has been and i cant see it changing now
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Personally, I think if a member takes the time to come up with a suggestion he or she feels would improve the site, their suggestions should be recognized by Pixoto and marked with either "not planned" or "under consideration." Those that are marked "under consideration" should then, after a reasonable amount of time, say within a few weeks, be marked "planned" and then shortly after "implemented."
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Bumped, so this doesn't fall through the cracks like most of the other suggestions on here.
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Well from the limp excuse for an answer on the other thread i would say, don't hold your breath John but we will see.
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Quote from Jasenka in the other thread.

"we would like to give a chance to members that are not very active throughout the year or may have joined recently, but have outstanding work, to be able to get Photographer of the year award."

Compared to the Blog

"We want to make sure the Top Photographers have consistently great images – not just a few lucky shots."

They cant even make up there mind on the criteria just as long as they get there own outcome ? and the suggested outcome in this and other threads are not suitable are they ? after all no real interest from Pixoto, no under consideration !,

But they will keep an eye on it ?
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I have to say, in this regard, I agree with Ralph. While its nice to try and encourage those who don't spend much time on this site so you can get them to submit more images, shouldn't you also be encouraging and rewarding those who are *already* dedicated and submitting images regularly?
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Any response to your customers ?

Or are you just keeping an eye on it !!
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One last bump in hopes of getting some real response. Not holding my breath, however.
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Well i Think that says it all really !!

There has been No Real Response from Pixoto, Just a hand me down message which contradicts the main message ?!!

But why would we expect anything different after all they had already decided on the outcome and had no intention of even discussing the idea or there would have been some sort of input from a top level !!

Pixoto serve there own interest and don't give a toss about what the effect is on the togs they trample over to get there ! Thanks

Before i forget it for this year and await the same discussion ( i use the term loosely because there needs to be input from both sides really) next year let me remind you of this !

YOUR IMPLICATION BY MAKING 20 TOGS SOME OF WHOM WILL HAVE BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION NOT DONE MUCH THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, BY MAKING THEM "PHOTOGRAPHERS OF THE YEAR" IS IMPLYING THEY ARE BETTER THAN ALL OF US WHO HAVE WORKED HARD ALL YEAR, ABIDED BY YOUR RULES, PLAYED YOUR GAME AND ACHIEVED THE GOAL THAT YOU SET AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR ! !!!

WE WON THE POINTS GAVE YOU THE IMAGES FOR STOCK CLIMBED THE LEADER BOARD BY YOUR RULES !!!

But just so long as you are keeping an eye on it.............. well you wouldn't want to step on anything below would you

Thank You John for your consideration on this matter but it would seem that Pixoto really dosnt care !
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Its really disappointing that the staff can't be bothered to even acknowledge this discussion after 5 days...
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Well if you think about it Jason put his foot down when he made his one and only comment on one of the three related threads, when he stated they were going to stick to the system they had used in the past !

No discussion ! no consideration to the inference of the wording, ! no thought that just maybe he might be "Wrong" !

Bet its pretty lonely up on the top of his temple mount because he certainly dosn't join in here much now dose he ? accept to sweep his judgements !
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Its too bad too, because nowhere that I can find does it state how "top photographers" are selected. In fact, the closest it comes is by stating this:

"Every award winner will also receive Pixoto Points. Points are used to determine your placement in the Pixoto Player Directory. "

Therefore, one would certainly believe that being at the top of the player board would mean an annual award, if such an award were issued... There is nothing to indicate the contrary...
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I have noticed some people are getting the best photographer of the year by just creating illustration work. Is this classed as photography :-S
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This site may have started off as a Photograph only site but it has expanded to include Photography, Illustration and Design and Traditional Art. I have nothing to do with the later two but if people submit there they are also entitled to receive their accolades.

I don't think yearly awards have been made for Illustration and Design as yet so not sure what these awards will be called.

If wording of these awards is wrong then Pixoto should look into fixing it.
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Mark the wording is wrong for photography, they are top Photographs not Top Photographers ! and they are to pig headed to change it so what makes you think they might do different for another category !!

But yes if they have earned an award they should receive it
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Hey Ralph, I was commenting on Jamie's comment re Illustrations been awarded Top Photographers awards as apposed to Top Illustrators awards.

Re Top Photographers V Top Photographs, I think the way to go is two sets of awards. Too late to be implemented for this year but Jason has said it could be something he would consider.

Personally I would like more pics to be used per player to determine Top Photographer, maybe 50 pics for the year.
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Yes i agree more images would work but if there are 365 daily competitions a year how many should you enter to an award to be best of year ?

Yes Jason did say he wouldn't rule out 2 sets of awards which is the correct way to go and i think maybe but sadly it probably is going to end up to be too late to be done this year ?!!!! But we had the same damn discussion last year and look where it got us so to leave it to next year is no hope at all really !!!
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Hmmm... Put like that, I should think a photog should at *least* enter 10% of those competitions, or 36, to qualify for a "top photographer" annual award...

And really, why is it "too late" this year? The annual awards haven't been finished being given out yet, so seems like this would be a simple matter...
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Since, of course, no where on this site does it list a criteria for a "top photographer" award, it isn't as if they would be going against anything previously stated...
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Well They have always been a law unto themselves. Yes i agree with you on the wording it dose seem to indicate that the end goal of the leader board (player Directory) is to achieve a top place ! But apparently Not !!!

As for the awards these "Best Photos of the Year" i don't care what they really are called after all that's what they actually are they are something that is never advertised ? Why i don't know !!

Jason did say in another thread he hadn't ruled out a second set of awards for top ranked players, for some reason i cant see him doing anything about that this late ! anyway i wont be holding my breath for it to happen ?

As to whether Illustration is classed as photography ? i don;t think they really mind if it can be used to boost the stock images then it will do i think
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What would be interesting to see is how many "top photographers" get awards vs the "top players".
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Well Susan in animals at least the tally is

14 of the top 20 photographers were awarded places. of the remaining 6, 4 were in the 21-30 bracket

But what i don;t agree with is one was awarded to the 81st placed tog, great images deserving of best photos of the year but 81st place is not best photographer of the year, sorry (i wont name you) but i am an admirer of your work and consider you a great tog just disagree with the decision.

More importantly though considering the guidelines stated they would be looking for "consistently high scoring images" and "not lucky ten shots" how come another tog picked up an award with 3 - 1st, 3 - 2nd & 1 - 3rd a further 14 top 10 places out of a possible 365 daily competitions was awarded a top photographer of the year ? again very good images deserving of best photos of the year but to be crowned better than all those ahead of him with much more and higher awards is not really fair is it ?

Congratulations to all the winners but based on your images alone in my eyes ! only my opinion though ! and Congratulations to all the photographers who made it to the top of the score boards because no one else is going to say it.

Like i say all this is only my opinion and as such is pretty meaningless !!
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Ironically, this seemed to work out pretty well for me - I believe in terms of points, I was in 8th place, but according to the "10 image average", I was in 5th... Either way, I've only been on this site for 6 weeks, so am pleased with either result... I would still object to the fact that the leader board should seem to represent, well, you know, the LEADERS....

Still see no reason why they can't award both on this site - top photographer and top "player" (however they want to name it...)
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BTW, Ralph, did you come across this listed somewhere, or did you have to check each one manually? I would suggest a page where each categories winners are listed in order together until the following year...

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