Winning prices while in wrong category.

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So, this person wins 1st price with his picture, but it was in the wrong category. Gardens and produce... really??? If this picture was put in the right category, he would have probably won, but now he's taking away chances from pictures that are in the right category because if you have to vote between this picture and a branch with oranges... guess who wins?
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I think it is in the proper category, nature up close. Nature Up Close – Photos of plants, trees and other natural objects. Waterdrops on natural object or plant parts also belong here if the subject is waterdrop rather then object it is on. Natural objects modified from their natural form belong in Artistic objects category. Don’t put landscapes or flowers here! If it’s not a close up chances are it belongs in landscapes. Subcategories: Mushrooms & Fungi, Trees & Bushes, Sand, Rock & Stone, Water, Leaves & Grasses, Gardens & Produce, Webs, Hives & Nests, Other plants. sub categories don't make any difference.
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Thank you Joyce for helping Trudie :)
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I tend to disagree Joyce. Even the photographer indicated that the main subject is the ladybird (see tags), so this one really should go to insects...
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I don't agree with you. This is not supposed to be in gardens and produce. If it was water or leaves and grasses, you'd have a point.
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Hello Trudie, awards are assigned in category level, not subcategory. So even if the photo was in different subcategory, it will still duel photos from Garden and Produce subcategory.

Subcategories are for organizational purposes.

I hope this helps.
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Look at the tags of the picture: poppy ladybug drops ladybird spring insect bug; so yes this one should really go into insects in this case
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Exactly my point. I put a picture of a ladybug on a grass in the nature up close category and now it got moved to the animals category. So mine got moved but his is still there. This is a great website if you know how to beat the system.
And don't get me wrong; his picture is beautiful and he should win awards with it. Just not in the wrong category.
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Hi, I will ask for clarification about correct category.
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Hi, this photo can stay in Nature up close category.
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is it a photo of a bug, or the thing the bug is on? that has been a problem here for a long time. I too had a photo re-classified from flower to insect because there happened to be a bee inside the flower. I gave up arguing. since that time there have been a lot more sneaky bugs allowed in the nature up close. seems there is no hard and fast rule anymore.
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According to the photographer it's a bug (see tags), so it's really a strange decision of pixoto to leave it in this category!
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So, if I have for example a picture of an elephant, it doesn't matter if I put it in insects, because it will duel in the category animals?
And if I'm voting and I see an elephant in the sub category insects, I don't have to report it because it's in animals?
Just trying to get it right and making sure I don't report pictures and give you a lot of extra work.
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Yes, 100% :-)

You can put a photograph of a pregnant woman in People, in "portraits of men" instead of "maternity" or "portraits of women" and there's nothing wrong with that.

And if you want to change the subcategory of that photo, say from "portraits of men" to "street and candid" or perhaps even "maternity" :-), you just click Edit and make the change. There's no penalty and we are all free to change the sub-category of our photos as we wish, as often as we wish.

Awards are given out for the best in a category, so all the images in a category are open to dueling with all the other images in the category. Sub-categories are virtually meaningless here.
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essentially you have it right. only the category counts... for better or worse that is the way this game is played...
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I know that sub categories duel with other subs under the main category. But when I'm voting that's not always the case. When I'm voting, it will ask me to vote for one specific sub category. Example select the better image in nature up close> rock & stone, and you get two images of rock & stone to vote on. So putting a image in the wrong sub category would give a image a disadvantage or advantage. I think sub categories should matter to take away any advantages or disadvantages. Knowing this if there are images that are in the wrong sub category winning there must be something wrong with the voting! I say that because it asks me to vote on a specific sub category a lot and should be a disadvantage to a image, if people are voting for the better image in that sub category.
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My question is; do people always look at that sub category when voting? I do, and that's when I notice pictures that are in the wrong sub. Right now I'll report the pic that's in the wrong sub. But if it doesn't matter to Pixoto, I'll just vote for the pic that's in the right category, even if that's not the better picture. Because skipping the dual would not be fair to the picture that is in the right sub category. Would it?
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I disagree with you on that. Awards are given out for the best in the entire category. If both photos are in the correct category, that's all that counts. So if the category is Animals and the subcategory is Birds, but one photo is an elephant and the other one is a donkey, it doesn't matter. It indicates that there are a couple of photographers who perhaps don't understand English all that well (which happens a lot here), but it's not important. All that matters is to choose the one you think is best -- because they're both in the right category.

Personally, if I think one photo is better than the other, that's the one I vote for .... I don't take the subcategory into consideration at all when I'm voting. Photos can often go into more than one sub-category anyway. Bottom line: sub-categories don't matter at all.
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looking at my own pix... I have duel once in the same sub category and then the very next duel is against a 600 scoring picture in the general category... I am paused after only 3duels this is not unusual and why I don't put much faith in the duelling system unless you are pro, or have hours to boost. from a paused photo to one that ends up in the very high 500's or even low 600's if I keep boosting. but I have a life and that is why i haven't uploaded much of anything for the past 4 months
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Well, I just discovered this website and kind of liked it. But I guess I need to be more laid back and don't take this whole website too serious.
I am thinking about buying an aquarium though, so I can throw bell peppers in it and bananas and beat the system :-) (and no, not really!).
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If the Report Team feels the bug is too small to warrant it moving to Animals, then so be it. (I'm guessing the reason is the size......?)

But shouldn't this photo have been in Flowers>Buds in the first place? The photographer states it is the bud of a poppy. The title of the photo is "Poppy".
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You know we can argue that it's the animal category or the flower category, but I think it's a useless discussion, since the Pixoto team has already decided they are not going to move it. I'm sure the nature up close category will be open for everything right now.
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No, I don't think it's a useless discussion :-) I refuse to get apathetic about categorization, as I think images in the wrong categories is the single biggest problem at Pixoto. Personally, I think the bug is prominent enough to warrant the photo being moved to Animals, but if the Report Team disagrees, then so be it. But the Flowers category was only introduced this year and I think we all benefit by knowing exactly why this photo doesn't belong there, since it is a flower bud. It benefits all of us to know the reasoning behind Pixoto decisions :-)
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Well, I have flowers with a bug or bee on it and I have bees and bugs on flowers. I really have no clue as to where the Pixoto team wants me to put them. So you have a point there.
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this photo has 1) bug, 2) flower or green stuff, 3) water drops, and 4) it is a close up/ macro.... all three elements have equal interest and so the generic answer would be Nature up close. my thoughts :)
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So, are these pictures "nature up close" or "animals"? It's just that I have pictures like these and I have put them in animals, but can we put them in nature up close when it's a macro?
http://www.pixoto.com/clint1eastwood
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Hello Trudie, from the link you have posted now, all photos that are in incorrect category (bee, mouse, butterfly) were posted today, so if they have been reported, report team didn't have a chance to recategorize them yet.
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And why can this picture stay in nature up close: http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

While my picture gets moved from nature up close to animals? http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

Just asking, because I'm really confused about why one can stay and the other one gets moved.
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Trudie, if the subject is obviously a plant than it belongs in Nature up close. If the subject is animal, then it belongs in Animal category.

When you took your photo, were you trying to capture plant or animal (ladybug) (this is just something I ask myself when I submit photos so I don't miscategorize)?
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OK, that makes sense. Thank you!
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You are welcome Trudie, glad I could help :)
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Hi all, please accept my apologies. The photo was recategorized to Flower category, Buds subcategory.
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No need to apologize, Jasenka :-) .... Like I mentioned above, getting all this straight helps us all!
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Thank you Lenore, I really appreciate it :)

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