Why can't I upload to the novice category?

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I joined a few days ago and have won a couple of rising stars and top 20%. Some of my inmages can JUST break 600 but start loosing points once they get there.
But I can't upload images to the Novice category, it doesn't even give the option.
It's obvious from my scores that I can't compete with the pros so why can't I compete in the novice category?
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Hello Karli, can you please post link to your Pixoto profile?

Winning a 5% or better award in another category (excluding Instagram & Mobile and Digital Art) will make you ineligible for further submissions.
If this isn't the case, please let me know.
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Ahh see I have one for number 8. So would that be it? (I was confused coz next to my score it says top 15% only?) I didn't realised as there are quite a few posting in novice that a ton of awards, for first place and everything.

I'm not actually sure how to post a link my profile name is just Karli Graham if put in the search it finds just my images.

Thanks
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Hi Karli, you are correct, 8th place is better then 5%, so since you have won #8 in category that does not include Instagram, Digital art or Novice category, you can not any more submit to Novice category.
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Ok so how come other people are aloud to?
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Karli, can you please post links to users profiles that you think should not have be able to upload to Novice category (or you can just post link to their photos)?

If they won 5% or better award in Novice only, Digital art or Instagram category, they can still submit to Novice only category.

Since your #8 award was in City, Street and Park category you no longer qualify to submit to Novice.
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http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra... here is one that is in the novice category
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she is right Jasenka... this photog has had dozens of awards and is entering lots of stuff in Novice.... it is frustrating, I myself managed to get a 3rd for the day on my second day of entering, before the rising star awards, and that image only made it to top 20%, and I was disqualified from novice category on only my second day of entries lol... one fluke and I had to play with the big kids :)
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I just went and looked and yes, this photographer has, for example, a #2 for the Day in Cities from last year:
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

So it looks like there's a bug in the system somehow since he's still posting to Novice as of today.....
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There is also a guy that has the same image in Novice and has then just made it black and white to put in another category, I was under the impression this was not aloud
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People just seem to be uploading all into novice and getting awards after awards and it doesn't seem fair to other people. I accept I can no longer upload to novice (even though my images arent really good enough to compete) but why should these people be aloud multiple first place awards just because the only use novice
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Karli, you can have a black-and-white duplicate of a colour image BUT the b/w photo MUST be in the Black and White category.
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Oh I didn't know that, as when uploading it says no similar. Thanks I'll keep that in mind.
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the photog that she used as an example has over 400 awards!!! that is some damn bug lol
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He is still posting in the "novice" bit now, it's not fair on all the people who are novices, they don't sand a chance! His photos are very good and would probably be doing well in the correct categories, but all he does is cheat!!!
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Hi, Karli you are correct, that user should have not been able to submit to novice. It is a glitch and I have asked that it is fixed. I'm sorry about his. and that you for pointing it out, it helps a lot.
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No worries.
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Ok seriously this guy uploaded another photo today into the novice category.

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
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I think this account needs serious checking as it appears he has won a lot of awards in novice that perhaps he is not entitled to.For instance he got 5th place for the day in city and street on 26/12/13. Surely that means he should not have been able to upload into novice from that date and therefore the novice awards on since then are incorrect? There may be an early award, this just caught my eye.
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465 awards?!! as i said, that is some glitch. and still uploading to novice? some body catch that bug, before it eats the whole site lol
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He is really taking the piss now, something must be done as soon as possible!!!
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Hello, I have asked that the account is rechecked and corrected in a way that he can not post any more in Novice category.
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Surely he is not entitled to all those novice awards?
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I agree shouldn't his awards be revoked to?
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I agree too, I have worked hard for my awards, it's not fair that he has hundreds he doesn't deserve!!!
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He's uploaded again! To novice category! Seriously why is this being aloud to happen?
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
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Pixoto, please sort this out and remove all the awards he is not entitled to...
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Hi all, thank you for information. I have informed our tech that user can still submit to Novice category.
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doesn't look like anything will be done on this situation. he is still uploading to novice.
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and I have noticed several more that only submit to novice, and have dozens of awards in novice and can continue to submit to that category forever if they want. so long as they never submit to a regular category they can rack up all the awards they want and deny a fair chance to new people. doesn't seem fair or competitive.
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I totally agree with Joyce some of the photos are far beyond novice standard!
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This guy is still posting to novice. When are you going to stop him and remove all those awards he is not entitled to?
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Terry, I think we are talking to the wind....
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if they can't fix it they should suspend his account until they can, and that won't stop them removing all of those awards he is not entitled to. They could even e-mail him and tell him......
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I still also think they need to look into how many time you can submit to the novice category once you've started winning top spot awards. There are a couple of people that only submit to novice and are always getting number 1 and it doesn't seem fair
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Hi all, I'm sorry about this. I have again forwarded information about this users ability to post to Novice category to our tech.
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Can't you suspend him, get rid of all those awards he shouldn't have been awarded?
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I have posted a link to this page on one of his images (his highest rated one!!!) just so he knows that people are aware of what he is doing!!! I doubt it, but he may not realise what he is doing is wrong! I don't class myself as a professional, just an obsessed amateur, I have close to 600 awards on here, but all from the proper categories, no cheating!!! His photos do not look in any way like they are done by a novice! :(
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And once again he has uploaded a shot in novices...Please get this sorted. He does not deserve many of the awards he has got, he surely knows this. This has gone on far too long now. Suspend his account until it can be sorted and remove all the awards he is not entitled to, most of them in novice.
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thanks for the complain
Terry Gower and others i hope if you complain all, please check also the others not only me try to find out your self http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra... im just following them, if this work with them why not to me also? but the bad things is you all complaining only to me im not a pro photographer im using cheap camera, kit lens and improvise things to captured a macro thinks and its so happen im more creative and more productive, instead of complaining to others work and down them, its become my inspiration, aggressiveness to improve my photos. thanks and please go to that links you will see what i mean, pixoto i hope before you take this action you notify me and please check also the novices of this year. god bless you all..
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Hopefully the others will be checked because there may be others with the same glitch. And yes we complained, and will do so again, because Pixoto knew of this and seemed unable to stop it. Also another member posted you a link to this thread so you would be aware of the problem. No one is complaining about your work, just the fact you were ineligible to post as a novice and therefore not entitled to many of the awards you received.
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like what i said i saw them first so i thought its allowed, no w i cant use pixoto anymore and thanks to you :)
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have you read Jasenkas reply to your thread? They ask you to not post in novice and you will be allowed to submit entries again....that is not stopping you using Pixoto, just stopping you posting in the novice category. And the thing is some of your work compares very well with that in other categories and you will probably do well in them.
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zion1000bc I only recently got a DSLR camera, until then I took all my photos with quite cheap Fuji camera, but I still have over 600 awards WITHOUT ever cheating and I am far from a professional. Having a basic camera is no excuse!!! Posting photos in the novice category when you have won good awards is cheating and not fair to the true novices who are losing out because of people like you!!! I will report anybody I see doing that :(
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Denies I also posted a link to the page on one of your photos two days ago, so you should not have been that surprised when your uploads became blocked, I am not trying to be nasty, just trying to keep things fair for everybody
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Dean Thorpe check this link http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra... before you write the word fair for everybody, do you think that my photo are more better and great to this link? and please stop saying cheater dont judge people right away okay! im peaceful and loving person but watch your mouth, you have the right to speak but hurting somebody's feeling you have no right! thanks and god bless you.
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I speak only the truth, a LOT of those people are cheating, including the person at number 10!!! Pixoto needs to sort ALL of those cheaters out. If you lived in an area where people steal cars every day, does that mean it's ok to steal cars? Why not??? Other people are doing it! Why not do what I do and report the cheats instead of becoming one!!! :(
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BTW the number one person on that link you sent me Denies has not posted ANY photos since March, I wonder why! :)
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Hello Dean, can you please post link to profile you said is #10? I checked profile that is on 10th place on link Zion provided, and I could not find any awards that are 5% or better in any other category then Novice, and that is allowed.
Please also post links to other users that have 5% or better award in other categories (other then Novice, Digital Art or Mobile).
If you would like it better, you can sent them to my e-mail Jasenka@Pixoto.com
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When did the rules change then??? I posted in Novice when I first started, as soon as I got a good award from there I was then blocked from entering the Novice category? Allowing people with over 500 awards to post in the Novice bit is a total joke, how can actual novices compete with that??? YOU commented 15 days ago "Hi, Karli you are correct, that user should have not been able to submit to novice. It is a glitch and I have asked that it is fixed. I'm sorry about his. and that you for pointing it out, it helps a lot." and again 4 days ago "Hi all, I'm sorry about this. I have again forwarded information about this users ability to post to Novice category to our tech.", so you must have thought what he was doing was wrong too? This place really is going down hill fast!!! :(
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Hello Dean, you commented that user #10 on link Zion posted should not have submit to Novice category. I checked the link and users account and I can see his all awards were in Novice category.

Please see category description page: http://blog.pixoto.com/category-descr...

Specifically this part:

"Novices Only – Photos taken by photographers who are working on developing their skills and want the opportunity to compete with others at their level. Winning a 5% or better award in another category (excluding Instagram & Mobile and Digital Art) will make somebody ineligible for further submissions. Images will not appear in stock and canvas searches."

As much as I know Novice category had same rules from beginning. Please see this blog post: http://blog.pixoto.com/2012/05/new-ca...

Dean, can you please let me know when have you posted to Novice only category? I checked your account to see why you were not able to submit any more in Novice only category and could not see any image posted in Novice only category.
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hi Jasenka Lukša i want to clarify, its not about the photo, whether the photo is very pro, so everybody can submit to novice category as long that they dont have any award to other category or they get 5% better to other category? em i correct? and Dean Thorpe your example is very far for what i"ve done, im not so stupid if somebody stealing i will do stealing? in this pixoto i dont get any money and this award i will never be rich so dont be so aggressive! nobody hurting you nobody stealing to you i do this for fun misunderstanding to the rules thats only mistake i done but for you its like sombodys killing you the way you react and thanks to Jasenka Lukša for clarification of the rule. Dean Thorpe your over reacting be cool dude!
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I run a photography group for mostly true NOVICE photographers, I have persuaded a few to post their work on here, but they never post more than a couple, why??? Because they don't stand a chance against morons who have hundreds of awards, but are so pathetic they can't stand the thought of losing, so they put their photos up against people who really are novices!!! Being proud of your awards is like a healthy Olympic athlete showing off medals from when he managed to run faster than kids in wheelchairs, it's just sad!!!

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra... <- Your photo, NUMBER 7 OF THE DAY, TOP 5% OF WEEK, TOP 5% OF MONTH, NOT IN NOVICES,THAT DISQUALIFIES YOU FROM POSTING AS A NOVICE!!! SO YOU ARE CHEATING!!!

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra... NUMBER 10 OF THE DAY, TOP 5% OF THE WEEK, MONTH, YEAR, NOT IN NOVICES!!! There are LOADS more of your photos that disqualify you! :(

Sorry Jesenka, I am sure I did post in Novice, but that was a long time ago, maybe I did post in another category as well and that could be why, but I do delete a lot of my lower scoring photos, so I may have deleted them. As I have pointed out above that person does have MANY top 5% photos in a categories other than Novices, Instagram & Mobile or Digital Art, so he IS breaking your rules!!!
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Dean, we had glitch on Zion's account. The system should have prevented him from posting any more in Novice category, but because of glitch the rectriction was not activated. We have informed him about this now and he will not post any more in Novice category.
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Pleased it's all sorted, i really wasn't trying to be nasty, I just want to help Pixoto get even better and that means encouraging more novices, not scaring them off with unfair competition! :) I <3 Pixoto!!!
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the problem is that after dozens, no, even hundreds of novice awards.. you would think Pixoto would say start using the 'big boy' categories... but looks like that is not going to happen. Denies Chua can have over 500 frigging awards and that is just fine.... he is still a novice because he wants to be. and he isn't the only one. makes a total joke of having a category for people to get started in. after a year or two you would think he would graduate. yes Denies... you can stay there, forever if you want... and Pixoto can continue to tolerate that.
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Actually Denies isn't a novice and has been asked not to post there any more because, according to the rules, he won an award in another category that disqualified from being a novice. He isn't really entitled to many of the novice awards he won since about January. Pixoto say its a glitch.
However there are others posting like him mostly or totally in the novice category, winning lots of awards and staying there because its easier to win awards there.
I agree Joyce, and have suggested it, that Pixoto draws a line on just how many awards you can get in Novice before having to move on.
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I'm sorry to say that while having a nosy at novice category I see more uploads that have been submitted by non-novices.
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
This won a #1 for the day and has awards in other categories.
I feel bad for actually novices, they don't stand a chance against these images
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Actually that one isn't cheating, well not in the same way, they are an amazing photographer, but if you check the dates they have not posted any novice photos since they got their awards!!!
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Looks like he posted his shots on the same day so was entitled to post one in the novice category.
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My bad I can now see that, however not sure I agree that he should have submitted to novice, looking at the quality of his photos, but I guess that's his prerogative.

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