Why do some of my photos pause when I have a Pro account?

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Hello Sue, for Pro user these images can get paused:

- images you submitted before you got Pro account
- images you submit to Uncategorized category
- images that already have more then 100 duels (Pro images get guaranteed 100 duels)

I hope this helps.
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Hello Jasenka,
Something's wrong, many of my photos paused for days, more than week..
Possibly some of them could have been photos of the week...

Dragana Jankovic
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I uploaded an image last night - 22 hours ago - I'm a Pro - and I have currently had 32 duels. I noticed last night that a top photographer uploaded an image and in 5 hours it had 112 duels.

I'm well aware that my images are not in the ballpark with the top photographers - but occasionally, I get a reasonable one. Think I have 39 over 600. I am so tired of putting the same old images into the contests, over and over again. Haven't had a new good one in weeks even though I take hundreds of images a week.

Either I'm becoming a lousier photog as time goes on or something's wrong. I understand if the company is dependent on the top photogs for their income - but - if that is so - then don't pretend that the rest of us have a chance. It's clear to me that I have basically no chance.

Used to upload 3 or 4 a day but it's too disheartening anymore. Only upload 2 or 3 a week and end up deleting most of them. In my last site, I sold over 150 images - not much - but something. Here I've earned 50 cents since last October.

Can't go back to the old site as they went under. Don't have the energy to start all over again. Seems like an exercise in futility. I had such high hopes for Pixoto.

I buy my own images here for art shows and for sale where I live and Pixoto work is good - shipping seems over the top but by taking advantage of the sales here, I pay less than I paid before - so my work is more affordable for sales here.
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Hello Dragana, can you please post links to your images that do not have yet 100 duels and they are paused?
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Hello Jane, did your image get paused before it reach 100 duels?
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I uploaded my image on August 9th, it's just after midnight on August 12th and I have 94 duels. If it wasn't paused, then it must naturally take 3 days to reach 100 duels.
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Hi Jane, if you didn't submit your image to Uncategorized category then your image wasn't paused (up to 100 duels). However images can get slower duels - you can see why here: http://www.pixoto.com/about

"My photo is not paused but isn't getting any more duels. Why?

The ultimate number of votes that an image gets is dependent on its early dueling history. The more early wins an image has the higher its ImageScore will go and the more duels it will ultimately receive. The highest rated unpaused images on the site will end up with four times (or more) duels than the lowest. After the first 50 duels or so the change in ImageScore with each additional duel slows down. Essentially the first 50 or so duels define the approximate area of the leaderboard an image should be and the remaining duels refine that placement. We are primarily focused on refining the scores of the top image – which is the reason for the disproportionate number of duels to those types of images.

Our algorithms try to get new images up to the same level of votes as other images on the site as fast as possible. Sometimes this takes just a day – sometimes it can take a week. After an image reaches the same level of votes as other images with a similar ImageScore the image will only rarely be put in new duels."

I hope this helps.
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I knew that, Jasenka - I was going by your answer to Sue (see above) and I thought that something had changed with "pausing images" because you didn't add that "Pro or no pro, images that are unlikely to make the top 10% are paused so that duels are available for the images that are likely to win."

Overnight last night I actually got 100 duels on an image and at least 80 on others. I was shocked. Since some of my images are more likely to be of interest to people in the USA - I had to add image duels in order for these members to get a chance to vote. Even so - none of them are any more likely to win than the one that took 3 days to get it's duels - well - maybe the one that got 100 duels - but it only had a score of just over 500 - and that's no winner.

The algorithms I understand - and have understood. I thought something had changed. Please don't feel that you need to explain that to me again. Just let me know if something changes. I don't want to waste your time.
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PS: Never put up an Uncategorized image and never will.
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Hi Jane, what changed is that Pro images can get paused when they have over 100 duels, but they will not be paused before they reach 100 (and your images didn't pause). Pro images that have lower scores (not in top 10%) need more time to reach 100 duels, but they will still reach it without being paused, just duels will come slower.

If this doesn't help, please let me know.
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Jasenka: Good to know that pausing can happen once 100 duels are reached. You understand that "slower duels can look like pausing" however, I have noticed that even lower scoring images duel about once an hour.

I had a good image going last night - today it went backwards - but it had 100 duels over night. I've gotta figure out the best time to add an image. It went up like a shot last night - causing 2 big names to take theirs down.

Today, I added duels and it went straight backwards. I cancelled them rather than lose my 600 and, naturally, and understandably, Pixoto dueled it anyway. It's barely hanging above 600 now - down from 631.

I check the history and it's unclear to me what happens - except for dueling 7 times with a better image and only winning once. That didn't help. Just rambling. Hope it holds above 600. Thanks for your input.
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Hi Jane, when you boost image it only means image will get duels faster. If you don't boost it it will get duels anyway, but not as quick as image that is boosted. You can not stop image getting duels if you clear boost.
Images with better score will duel higher scoring images to determine if it should go up the leaderboard (if it won over higher scoring images) or not (if it loses). When image lost duel imagescore can go down.
I hope this helps.
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Good information, Jasenka. The image stayed above 600 and made the 10% cut for the day. I'm satisfied with that. Surprisingly, I learned a little bit about the leaderboard game that the members play too. Those purple flowers - what are they? Water lilies? All dropped out before the awards were made. Guess that they weren't happy with their placement.

However, my images are all different and I don't see how I could take one out and put it in at another time because it's too distinctive and people are already tired of dueling it. The purple flowers all look so similar and there are several photographers taking pictures of them so that they are just taken for granted and can barely be told apart. They always win duels because they are so well done and sprinkled with water. I see most of them are re-entered today.
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The sole purpose of those flowers are to win awards and earn cash. Anything short of winning for cash is not acceptable. Thus, they were resubmitted. :-)
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That's clear . . .

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