Who Is Person Who Change Category By Own Will - 3 PROBLEM AGAIN!

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Who Is Person Who Change Category By Own Will - 3
To Jasenka Lukša!
Hello Jasenka!
Yesterday, you promised that there will not be mistake suc as these days. Just now, a half hour before The same thig happened. Do Y>ou know Jasenka what is Marshmellow or "malva silvestris". See in Wikipedia, if you don't know. That is plant which, as many others has flowers, leaves and fruits.It is never been flower among flowers. An hourand ten minutes before I submitted "Crystal Sunset Of An Marshmallow" in right category Nature Up Close - Other plants.Photop achieve 432 points in ten minutes. This moment my photo is not in right, but in wrong category - Flower - Single Flower., my points lost, my credit lost. Please, if seeds of dandelion, if every plant in Nature Up Close belongs to Flower - Single Flower, close that category. Why do you work? Only people among Pixoto members may done it ... Please, give back my photo in right category - NMature Up Close - Other plants, my points and warn your colleagues that is very bad what you are doing. Might I expect tha every my image be destroyed by this doings.
Please answer quickly ...you are very fast in your doings when you want! And, please, who can change the place of my image...players can not!
Link of wrong category is:http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
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Hello Masica, I'm sorry but that is photo of a flower and as such it belong in Flower category.
Only members of report team can recategorize your photos.

I hope this helps.
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Hello Jasenka!

Please answer:
Is there a plant without roots, stem, leaf, flower and fruit/seeds regardless of whether the so-called. "Other Plants" or "Flowers" - "Single flowers."

Something is very wrong in your categories classification.

Even bigger mistake are conflict of interest because you have the photos in a contest for points and awards, and so influenced the fate of the other players. So you can not be objective enough, because you fight by all means for the total number of points in your photos,( even if you are artistically trained to assess image quality).

People who work as employee on gallery can not be the players at the same time. To evaluate photos of others and influenced as moderators to re categorization and other elements of procedure you loose objectivity... you must be independent totally.
I hope it would probably be a lot less mistakes you do day after day.

I hope, also, this helps in rethinking about reputation of Pixoto gallery.

Wishing you success in researching the best solution and great satisfaction for all, employees and players.
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Masica, Jasenka is Pixoto's Customer Service representative here in the forums, she is not a member of the Report Team and does not make the decisions about a category choice. It is the Report Team who make the decisions about category changes for our photos and Jasenka is kind enough to pass along to all of us information from them if we ask, as she did here in letting you know that your photo belongs in Flowers. She is the messenger. If you don't like the message, it's not her fault :-)

As far as her having photos here on Pixoto, that's true, but she's not eligible for the cash prizes.

It is true that most plants do flower, that's a botanical necessity for most. Here at Pixoto, those photos go into the Flowers category. Other sites might do it differently, but at Pixoto that's the way it is, for all of us. If you take a photograph of a flower, even it's a flower bud on a tree for example, then Pixoto wants those photos in the Flower category. The type of plant is unimportant for Pixoto's categorizations -- if you photograph a plant's flower, then it goes in the Flowers category. It is Pixoto's site and that's how they want it, so those are the rules we are supposed to follow. You are certainly free to disagree with the choices they make and put your photos anywhere you want -- but in cases like this, if you post flower photos in other categories, you should expect them to be moved to Flowers. Only you can decide if you want that kind of frustration or not :-)
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I do not believe there is any conflict of interest here by Jasenka being able to post in the contest. And, as Lenore has correctly pointed out, she does not recategorise the shots.
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Lenore and Terry,

who are the members of the Report team if moderator as Jasenka not!
If the Report team make mistakes a day by day (because there are too many flowers among Nature Up Close, and too many Other Plants among Flowers -Single Flowers) somebody is totally wrong in doing theirs job. Or, there are only few people on which these rules applied?!
At least, are you employee of Pixoto, You are here as some kind of advocate of Jasenka.
I expect her answer - precisely answer, because I study very seriously Pixoto rules about category and categorisation!

P.S. Terry, do you know what does it mean "conflict of interest"?
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No, I'm not an employee,nor is Lenore, I just don't like seeing people accused unfairly. And yes, being fairly intelligent, I do understand conflict of interest.....
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What Terry said.
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Masica, I will address issues one by one:

1. „Please answer:
Is there a plant without roots, stem, leaf, flower and fruit/seeds regardless of whether the so-called. "Other Plants" or "Flowers" - "Single flowers." „

As you have already stated yourself: „that is plant which, as many others has flowers, leaves and fruits.“ If you photograph flower on any plant (including flower of Marshmellow – Latin name of Malva Silvestris) it is photograph of flower and belong in Flower category. If you photograph same plant but the photo is not of flower, as example it is of leaf or root or seed or fruit still attached to the plant or plant itself (anything but flower) then it belong to Nature up close category.

Please see category descriptions page: http://blog.pixoto.com/category-descr...

Specifically these parts:

„Flowers - Put your photos of flowers here. Subcategories: Flower Arangements; Flowers in the Wild; Flower Gardens; Flower Buds, Tree Blossoms; Single Flower“

and

„Nature Up Close – Photos of plants, trees and other natural objects. Waterdrops on natural object or plant parts also belong here if the subject is waterdrop rather then object it is on. Natural objects modified from their natural form belong in Artistic objects category. Don’t put landscapes or flowers here! If it’s not a close up chances are it belongs in landscapes. Subcategories: Mushrooms & Fungi, Trees & Bushes, Sand, Rock & Stone, Water, Leaves & Grasses, Gardens & Produce, Webs, Hives & Nests, Other plants, Other natural objects, Natural Waterdrops“

It is clearly stated in category descriptions that photos of flower(s) do not belong in Nature up close category, and they should be submitted to Flower category.

2. „Even bigger mistake are conflict of interest because you have the photos in a contest for points and awards, and so influenced the fate of the other players.“

Please see this topic: http://community.pixoto.com/pixoto/to...

3. „So you can not be objective enough, because you fight by all means for the total number of points in your photos,( even if you are artistically trained to assess image quality).“

“... because you fight by all means for the total number of points in your photos ..„ - this is very serious accusation! You are implying that I will by all means (even recategorization when photo doesn't need to be recategorized) make sure that I get awards and points! Do you have any proof to back up your statement?

If you do please post it here and I will forward it to the management. Or you can send it directly to the management yourself.

I have never recategorized any of your photos. When report team member recategorize photo they would always send e-mail notification about it and in notification there is name of report team member that has done recategorization. Please check all e-mail notification that you have received about any activity upon your photos.

As Lenore explained I am not report team member, I am community representative, and as such I apologize for incorrect recategorization on behalf of Pixoto and all report team members.

4. „People who work as employee on gallery can not be the players at the same time. To evaluate photos of others and influenced as moderators to re categorization and other elements of procedure you loose objectivity... you must be independent totally.
I hope it would probably be a lot less mistakes you do day after day.“

Again, please see this topic: http://community.pixoto.com/pixoto/to...

Report team members recategorize photos, I am not report team member nor moderator.

5. „Wishing you success in researching the best solution and great satisfaction for all, employees and players.“

Thank you.

6. „If the Report team make mistakes a day by day (because there are too many flowers among Nature Up Close, and too many Other Plants among Flowers -Single Flowers) somebody is totally wrong in doing theirs job.“

Report team members will recategorize photos if needed and if the photos are reported. So if you see photo that is in incorrect category, please report it. If the photo is in incorrect category and it is not reported that is not mistake made by report team members.

Please see Weekly challenge rules: http://www.pixoto.com/photography-com...

Specifically this part:

„Obviously miscategorized images will be recategorized if reported. Recategorization into a new category results in the loss of all ImageDuel data.“

7. „Lenore and Terry, .... At least, are you employee of Pixoto, You are here as some kind of advocate of Jasenka.“

Lenore and Terry are not employees, they are users just like you. They have always been very helpful and lots of times answer questions that other users ask (this is community so users /if they know/ will give answers and help each other). If you would like more private conversations you are always welcome to send me e-mail to Jasenka@Pixoto.com .

I hope this helps.
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Hi Jasenka Luksa!

That's what I expected. Please have completed job correctly. Where is the professionalism of the Report Team when re categorize my highly ranked and award-winning photo next to the entire set of photos that have less quality "Other Natural Objects" on leadearboard (and to each have been duly warned). I hope that this time you will find ways to photograph back to where it belonged, together with points and prizes. What with this procedure you want to show - the power over the individual players ?! It is tragic that at a serious gallery happens that the rules apply only to one player, not at all. But to me it is normal. My photos someone "stinging eyes."

Links to cite, I believe it will help you and your Report Team to be fair to everyone and do the same what to do with my leading photographs month after month. Show that the same rules apply to all players on Pixoto gallery.
I hope that this will help the reputation Pixoto gallery, because your daily actions bring into question gallery in which the same rules were not applied to all players equally.

Please! Open you eyes and find how many photos the same to mine are: http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

Hope, fast answer. Thank you!
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Hello Masica, can you please post link to your photo that got recategorized?

Thank you for the link to Nature up close category, Other natural objects subcategory. I will ask report team to go through it and recategorize as needed.
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Hello Jasenka Lukša!

Please, explain me: What is this by Category?
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
Nature Up Close › Gardens & Produce (Please, see your tags!)

If you yourself are not able to categorize your current photo in the appropriate category how dare you be so low professional and re categorize mine, mostly highly ranked and award-winning photography. All means I have to achieve result is "in me", im my capability to observe, to record and knowledge to present! It's clearly that the intention is not just to move images. It is self-evident. The only conclusion to be reached is: Such moves are undertaking actions only by frustrated people!

It would be good for you and other similar official representatives to discuss the descriptions of the every category again. This would facilitate the players who submitted photos to the gallery not to "enter into your brain" in which categories really rocking. Perhaps your new session on the definitions of categories fruitless, if you, indeed, concerned that doing business in an ethical manner.

Hope, you have to thinking twice next time!
I think this will be kind and useful and tha twill help to reputation of Pixoto gallery.

P.S. Last two days you re categorized these my photos:

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
Please, explain me category differences among your and mine photos !!! It seems that my photographs belonging to the "Nature Up Close" - Garden & Produce! Thank you!
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Hello Jasenka Lukšsa, still once!

Let see this:

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

What is right category - what is wrong? Report button reports error!
Hope, this will be useful for you in Pixoto team and players, too!
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Hello Masica, regarding my image you can see that it was submitted over a year ago (May 8, 2013) while flowers were still in Nature up close category. We have started with separate Flower category on January 1st 2014, and after that day all images of flowers should be posted in Flower category and not Nature up close category.

As you can see from category description:

"Nature Up Close – Photos of plants, trees and other natural objects. Waterdrops on natural object or plant parts also belong here if the subject is waterdrop rather then object it is on. Natural objects modified from their natural form belong in Artistic objects category. Don’t put landscapes or flowers here! If it’s not a close up chances are it belongs in landscapes. Subcategories: Mushrooms & Fungi, Trees & Bushes, Sand, Rock & Stone, Water, Leaves & Grasses, Gardens & Produce, Webs, Hives & Nests, Other plants, Other natural objects, Natural Waterdrops"

it clearly say: "Don’t put landscapes or flowers here!", because Landscape has its own category and Flowers got its own category at the beginning of this year.

Regarding your images:
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
This image can be in either Animal category or Nature up close category. Since your image was submitted in Nature up close category report team member made mistake in recategorizing it and we apologize for this. We will use this to educate report team members. I'm sorry we can not reinstate your photo with awards, but we will add 1000 credits to your account so you can boost it as much as you like. Would you like us to recategorize it back to Nature up close category?

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
This image is clearly image of Passiflora flower and as such it belong in Flower category and not Nature up close category when you have submitted it.

I have already asked report team to go through link you have provided for incorrectly categorized images.
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Hello Jasenka Lukša!

Thank you for answer, but I'am not satisfied. Why!

1. Report team did anytime the same - miscategorised leading photo (when my photos are in quest), but at the link of leaderboard they did nothing or almost nothing ...It is not my bussiness to work instead of them. Report button, for example show: errors! Someone who cares about the reputation of the galleries, which were its founders, must take into account what their employees are doing and is it in a satisfactory manner.

2. Equally, I analyze every word in the description of categories. Description of the category is not sufficiently clear and precise. These situations require that all of you work very quickly. I know how it is delicate work, but I also know that the end result does not tolerate mistakes that continuously occur (perhaps some who on the basis of description decide where to locate a picture). Last applies to my link on which it is not just a flower, but also very clearly visible snail - http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra....
Both flower and snail are natural objects whatever you may think about it. Among other things, when you open a sub category of "Single Flower" try to see how many flowers are with other objects, and ask herself where it, naturally, belong. Not here - Single flower is single flower, one and only one (single). "Other natural objects" is a mixed categories and there is no logic to these photos, especially when they achieve a leading position moving to another (that was made by bad training person)... succulents are also species of flora that has a flower ... isn't it? And flower of succulent (one among several) ...where it belongs?!

3.The last I conclude that it is necessary to consider the total content of images to determine the category (Personally, this topic is not unknown for me. Worked for years on evaluating and categorizing items that were works of children's hands ... a very sensitive issue on which there should be no errors). Errors would not be here either. Should be encouraged creativity, expand the vision and mission of the gallery Pixoto as intended and to have satisfied the players who will be the mission to proclaim and spread to others.

Hope, this will be useful!
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Hello Jasenka Lukša Vujasić!

Repetitive problem again: Category changed... please apply the same criteria to all contributors and give me back my awards and points. What is problem?
let see these links:
These are only TWO of many photos in the category "Nature Up Close" with the same objects (snais, bees, insects) I have had at my photo which was re-categorizing again and again.

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

This is my photo:
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

If it was "Animals"in question, all of these and very similar photo with animals had to be recategin in animals.
Please, give me back my photo in the category to which belonged, my points (do you know how many mistakes you and Your Report Team did this 2014 ?!) or change the description of the category and subcategory!
Thank you!
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Hello Masic, we are sorry about this. Your image belong in Nature up close and report team member should not have recategorized it. We have moved it back to Nature up close category and we have added 1000 credits to your account. I have also reminded report team that such images belong in Nature up close category. Please accept our apology.

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