Who is managing the contests (given new rules) ?

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Last few days I refered to the new contest rules by listing at least over 10 contests that where violating new rules set by Pixoto.

Nothing happened....
I thought Pixoto was managing this?
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I am managing the contests and they have been been reviewed as of this morning. Can you please link us to some of the ones that are violating our rules? We are here to help.
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Some of them (eg containing the word "any" or overlapping the pixoto categories so daily contests). Also I only selected these from "Open Contests". In Running Constest there are quite some of these as well

http://www.pixoto.com/contests/flower...
violates:May not have a theme that mimics a Pixoto category or subcategory
http://www.pixoto.com/contests/any-ph...
violates: Must have a concrete and specific theme
http://www.pixoto.com/contests/macro-...
violates:May not have a theme that mimics a Pixoto category or subcategory
http://www.pixoto.com/contests/vivid-...
Violates: Must have a clear description that fully elaborates on the theme
http://www.pixoto.com/contests/beauti...
Violates: May not have a theme that mimics a Pixoto category or subcategory
http://www.pixoto.com/contests/all-bl...
Violates: May not have a theme that mimics a Pixoto category or subcategory
http://www.pixoto.com/contests/-anyth...
Violates:
Must have a concrete and specific theme
May not have a theme that mimics a Pixoto category or subcategory
Must have a clear description that fully elaborates on the theme
http://www.pixoto.com/contests/-your-...
Violates:
Must have a concrete and specific theme
May not have a theme that mimics a Pixoto category or subcategory
Must have a clear description that fully elaborates on the theme
http://www.pixoto.com/contests/best-o...
Violates: May not have a theme related to an ImageScore, Awards, or any other Pixoto quality
http://www.pixoto.com/contests/portra...
Violates: May not have a theme related to an ImageScore, Awards, or any other Pixoto quality
http://www.pixoto.com/contests/flower...
Violates: May not have a theme that mimics a Pixoto category or subcategory
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Thanks for adding Lenore.
I really don't understand this happening.
when new rules are introduced I would have
expected that these would have managed
strictly.
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If a contest is removed then I hope Pixoto reimburses the credits to those users that have entered the contests.

"There is never a fee for entering a contest but you do need to spend "upload credits" to enter each photo"

The way the site is run seems to be from the back of someone shed at the end of the garden. If you make new rules for community contents then the rules should be on the first page as you create the contest. A new contest would not be made public until Pixoto verifies that the contest fits the criteria of these new rules.

Maybe it's not that simple...who knows.
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Terry, rather than deleting the contests, Jason said they would be delisted, if they have been delisted surely they would not continue to appear on the contests page but I think they do. Meaning member can still submit images. It is all a bit confusing, clarification is required.
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Michael, I'm not sure, but I think Pixoto delists them and then attempts to get the moderator to "fix" the challenge to make it fit the new rules, but when delisted it doesn't show up on the contests page. If the "fix" doesn't happen, I think it goes to voting with whatever images in it that were present when it was delisted.

Of course, I do not know any of this for sure :-)
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Lenore, I think you are on the right lines. However non seem to disappear from the contest page and you can still submit. If they go to the voting stage are awards still achieved? As I say, confusing. Let's hope for clarification.
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Ah! That may explain why I voted for a photo in a contest that I can't find on the contests now voting page - it was one called something like 20 photos without any awards!
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Thank you all for links. We are working on contests.
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Please let's not repeat al arguments against the contests or ideas to limit them in this thread as they're all raise in e.g. http://community.pixoto.com/pixoto/to... already....
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Ad, perhaps I should not have elaborated about other ideas, but my initial point that many of these contests have been running for several weeks is still true. They were started before the new rules took effect and are just now coming up to the time for voting. Most of those long-running contests will end on the 31st. After that, there should not be more than a few that don't go by the rules. I moderate the Top Tens of July. It does not abide by the new rules. It is one that I run for a month and start about the 8th of the month. It does not close until August 5th. I started it before I was aware of any talk of rule changes, and have repeated that same contest monthly since February. I won't even try to start this contest again in August since I know that it does not fit the new rules. For now, though, it may look like Darin is not doing his job, but looks can be deceiving.
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It would appear that - Top tens of July 2015 - has disappeared from the contests page.
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I noticed, Michael. Apparently, in response to all the complaints listed on this page, they de-listed all of the contests that don't meet the new guidelines. The fact that these contests were started well before the new rules went into effect does not matter anymore. The voices of a few have been heard loud and clear. :(
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I do not have the same observation SweetNana55. There are still several that violate the new rule.
Just a few examples (definitely not the full list!):
http://www.pixoto.com/contests/beauti...
http://www.pixoto.com/contests/macro-...
http://www.pixoto.com/contests/beauty...
http://www.pixoto.com/contests/all-bl...
http://www.pixoto.com/contests/little...
http://www.pixoto.com/contests/flower...
violate "May not have a theme that mimics a Pixoto category or subcategory"

http://www.pixoto.com/contests/anythi...
Violates
Must have a concrete and specific theme
Must have a clear description that fully elaborates on the theme

http://www.pixoto.com/contests/best-i...
Violates
May not have a theme related to an ImageScore, Awards, or any other Pixoto quality
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Darin Mellor, you said you are managing the contests. If so, why no more reply & explanation after your initial question?

Jason, you set the new rules and stated that Pixoto wil monitor.
Why are they not managed??
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Because I would rather provide you with no information versus providing you with inaccurate information. I was working with Jason to find out how to address this and some technical issues I had when trying to moderate contests.

The contests will be managed more closely now that you have brought his to our attention, but we place more value on correct answers over swift answers.
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Jason, Darin, why is there no follow up??

I really like to quote John Larson, in http://community.pixoto.com/pixoto/to...

"The irony here is that most of the regular posters on this forum are the FEW who actually CARE about this site and it's future, and they are systematically being ignored."
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Because I would rather provide you with no information versus providing you with inaccurate information. I was working with Jason to find out how to address this and some technical issues I had when trying to moderate contests.

The contests will be managed more closely now that you have brought his to our attention, but we place more value on correct answers over swift answers.
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Hi all, we are sorry , we had some problems. Contests (posted as of this morning) should be managed now. we will check and manage contest daily.
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I appreciate your swift reponse Darin! Thanks for the further clarification.
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Jasenka, why is "Animals Big Small Any and All" still posted? Animals is clearly one of the major Pixoto categories.
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Also, "All Black and White" is still listed, too.
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Hi SweetNana, "Animals Bog Small Any and All" doesn't limit to Pixoto's Animal category (includes also cats and dogs and they are not same category as Animal category), so that contest doesn't violate new rules.

As Jason replied to this thread below:
"If you sort by recently added everything posted after Urban Water is after the 19th. "
"All Black and White" was posted before Urban Water.

I hope this helps.
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It does help, Jasenka, thanks. I didn't think of dogs and cats as separate from the general animal category. I forgot to check the date on the All Black & White. It makes sense to me now.
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Okay, if my contest, which was legitimately started before the new rules were announced (even in this community) was de-listed, then I feel that it is only fair that the following contests are also de-listed.

Animals- Big, Small, Any at All
http://www.pixoto.com/contests/animal...
Beauty in the Petals (which applies to all flowers, so it is just a way of disguising a Pixoto category)
http://www.pixoto.com/contests/beauty...
All Black and White
http://www.pixoto.com/contests/all-bl...
Beautiful Buildings (Any building >Half of the Buildings & Architecture category)
http://www.pixoto.com/contests/beauti...

Another is so broad, that it basically includes all of the images from more than one category, so I don't see how that is well defined.
Anything Alive (so any plant or animal qualifies)
http://www.pixoto.com/contests/anythi...
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I do agree, see also the list I added above (and even that one is incomplete).
But as Darin just explained even removing/delisting was not that easy if I understood it correctly.
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Darin, you say you would rather provide no information rather than inaccurate information, as if those were the only two choices. It would have taken you all of a single minute to post a comment along the lines of "sorry, no update, but we're working on it". Instead, you chose to just ignore this topic completely. By ignoring this, you leave the impression of arrogance and insensitivity to the Pixoto members who have posted here. I am sure you are not arrogant or insensitive, but good customer service hinges on keeping people informed of progress, even if that information is not always positive.

Not that anyone cares what I think, I'm sure, but it's all very disappointing.
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Sorry, but what you learned then is incorrect. Communication is vital.
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We are all entitled to our opinions, but I kindly and respectfully apologies for coming off as arrogant and not pleasing everyone with my response.

As stated previously that was not my intent. Mud slinging will not help the situation and this is my final post on the subject unless instructed to comment further by Jason.
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I think there is a slight difference between "no information" and "no communication"... I agree: incorrect information is wrong, but communication is vital
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Mud slinging? Wow.

Just ..... wow.
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Darin, I don't understand you feel offended. Communication is one of the main starting points for any community/forum. I agree with Lenore, you better tell people that you don't have new information than do not communicate at all.

(and as said before (quote of John Larson): most of the regular posters on this forum are the FEW who actually CARE about this site and it's future ...)
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"Jason has removed the contests that did indeed break the new Community Contest Guidelines, but the assumptions on which contests broke what guidelines ware not all correct."

It would be helpful to know which contests that appear to have broken the new rules don't actually break them, and why. Without that, this is all just a shot in the dark.
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So a couple of things to consider about the contest guidelines:
1) In order to be considered a pixoto category subcategory a challenge would have to have EXACTLY the same content. A contest that spans multiple categories or narrows a subcategory is allowed.
2) This only effects contests posted after 7/19
3) General themes like "vivid colors" or "red objects" are allowed. We've often run contests like that and find that they can be interesting and exiciting

Many of the contests that are still listed that are mentioned above fall into one of these buckets.

If you need further clarification let us know.
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Renos, thanks for your support. I really liked the TOP TENS contest, but the management team does not like contests that revolve around image scores or awards. At least that is a clear cut limitation not open to interpretation. I can see where some of those had gotten out of hand. I agree that its the contests with the general themes that are overwhelming the voting system. For whatever reason, those are the ones the management team favors. I don't get it, either. Those are the ones that require very little efforts for moderators. I guess I will have to join the crowd and make generic, boring contests in the future
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I preferred the top tens of each month that Judy moderated. In my opinion, Judy was one of the best moderators the site had. I have never entered one of her contests that I did not get a "your image meets the criteria,etc etc" nor did she fail to ever congratulate me when I won an award in her contests.

I will miss those contests the most!
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Thanks, Bradley. I appreciate your generous comment. the TOP TENS will be gone, but I will think up some other great contests. I look forward to seeing your entries.
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Bradly, Judy, please keep in mind that the whole discussion about the contest was started due to the voting problems that we all experienced. So introducing some rules seemed to be really needed. We all benefit from it.
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I understand that Ad, and am okay with the concept. I do wish they would limit the contests with broad themes, because I think those are the ones causing the voting issues, but maybe I am wrong. Time will tell.
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Jason, "Starscapes" is a subcategory in Landscapes .... that is what I was referring to when I wrote that I believe the contest "Astrophotography" mimics an existing subcategory.

And Jason, thank you for your response -- it's helpful and informative and I'm sure is appreciated by all of us as we try to figure our way through all this.
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I think Astrophotography is more specific than starscapes which is why I let it stand.  
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Thanks!!
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Jason thanks for prompt/swift responses. Let's hope the guidlines are clear now.
A suggestion: the original guidelines were sent by mail and discussed in 2 threads.
It might be an idea to have the rules + additional explanations + examples in a general place e.g. the starting page for contests (http://www.pixoto.com/photo-contests) or a page on the blog (http://blog.pixoto.com/ )
Thanks
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what about this one?
http://www.pixoto.com/contests/animal...
violate "May not have a theme that mimics a Pixoto category or subcategory"
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Hi Ad, as I replied to SweetNana above, moderator is asking for all animals, and since cats and dogs are also animals (and are not excluded form this contest) contest doesn't mimic a Pixoto category or subcategory.

I hope this helps.
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Sorry Jasenka, I missed your earlier reply. I understand the line of thinking but I think this was not the line of thinking of the pixoto members that came with all the suggestions for moderation of contests...
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What about these?
http://www.pixoto.com/contests/flower...
http://www.pixoto.com/contests/beauti...

Another question:
is this forum the only way to report contests?
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Hi Ad, I will ask about this and let you know when I get reply.

Forum is the only way to report contests.
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Hi Ad, Flowers and Flowers contests is delisted. Regarding Beautiful Buildings, we have Buildings and Architecture category, and since in contest moderator wants only buildings it does not mimic our category.

I hope this helps.
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Jasenka, are contests still being managed? I'm wondering why one titled "Anything Goes" is allowed to have more than 400 entries and counting. Is it considered well-defined when any photo in the world is eligible for the contest? This is exactly the kind of contest that users have complained about. There is no real purpose for the contest except to get easy credits for the moderator. This type of contest often gets more than 1,000 entries and sucks voting away from the daily duels. If this is okay, maybe we should all just start an "Anything Goes", "All Your Images", or "Whatever You Want" contest each day until the Pixoto staff sees how ridiculous it is.
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Pixoto will probably put such a contest in the 'pending' file... wait til everyone has spent their credits entering it, then eliminate it. and everyone loses their credits. perhaps this is a good thing, if someone can't even figure out if it is a decent contest... or enters tons of contests no matter the subject.. and the people putting up such contests lose time and effort when it is finally disposed of (assuming they don't get any credits if the contest doesn't go to voting.) I don't have a problem leaving the bogus contests there, if they are eliminated at the last minute before they actually go to vote. Eventually the contest moderators will figure out what is happening. waste enough time and effort on something that will not produce any results.
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Hi SweetNana, I'm sorry about this, I asked person that is in charge of contests to recheck and handle contests.
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If a contest is delisted, it still goes to voting and awards are awarded.

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