What defines Photography vs Digital Art?

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A Pixoto photographer very obviously adds different backgrounds to their bird photos and it is obvious since the lighting doesn't match or the edges are poorly done. Shouldn't these be categorized as Digital Art rather than Birds? Or can you create a category for digitally manipulated photos?
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You mean this guy, for example?
http://www.pixoto.com/sandyscott#6374...
Most of his photos are composites of bird shots and backgrounds that he uses over and over again (several birds are curiously flying across exactly the same sky, pelicans, ducks...). He's winning lots of awards with these photos and yet the Pixoto team has never done anything to recategorize his pictures in Digital art where they belong. Something's not right here....
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Cailin , I agree with you.. His photos looks like they were painted. They should be elsewhere.
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Yes Cailin and Keith. Some of the background edges are very poorly done and all the photos are overly processed. And why would a photo taken at ground level of a gull standing on a beach have a sky with clouds behind it? I'm not sure why he's winning so many awards but I don't feel my unaltered photos should be competing in the same category as his. How does one get Pixoto to look at this issue?
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Sandra I couldn't agree more. If the " painters with a camera " were forced to post in Digital Art as they should be I'd be at or near the top of the Leaderboard in the flower category every day. You might find this thread interesting Ma'am. " Vincent Van Gogh vs. Ansell Adams ". I hope we see you there soon.

Paul
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You can make a suggestion on this board, but I think it has been done before and ...as you can see, nothing much has changed.
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Thank you for reporting, I will forward to report team.

Regarding Digital art category, please see category description page: http://blog.pixoto.com/category-descr...

"Digital Art – This includes photo montages, fantasy scenes, constructed landscapes, artificial scenes and any photo compilation that is surreal or unreal. If it isn’t even trying to look real – put it here. IMPORTANT: all components must be your creations. NO STOCK PHOTOS. Subcategories: People; Places; Things; Abstract; Animals"

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"Photography Photoshop/Post Processing Rules
In an effort to find the best, and most striking imagery, extensive use of Photoshop or other post processing techniques is allowed in all categories. However images that look like “digital art” rather than photography should be categorized as such. "

Basically if scene is surreal on unreal it should be categorized in Digital art category. If it is not surreal on unreal it is allowed in all categories.

From Contest rules page: "...you may use other images you have submitted to create unique works of digital art. " Meaning images that use components from images that have already been submitted should be submitted to Digital art category.

I hope this helps.
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I'm STILL waiting for my definitive answers Jasenka
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Dear Jasenka :

If that is Pixoto's policy why then is it NOT enforced ?

Paul
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Paul, this is Pixoto policy and we do enforce it. Report team act on reports if they are according to Pixoto rules and category descriptions.
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No you do not Jaenka
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Dear Jasenka " Pixoto does NOT enforce it . I have repeatedly reported the Digital Artists that run rampant in the Flowers Category for the last week and STILL nothing has been done about it. Were you to take a look at the leaderboard in the flowers category you'd see that no REAL photography is able to rank higher than 500 or so with the extremely rare exception.

I would remind you Jasenka that I pay the same good American Greenbacks that the Digital Artists do and for that reason I and all the other REAL photographers deserve a fair chance at all the benefits of Pixoto membership. Photographers being forced to compete with " painters with a camera " is NOT a fair competition .

When exactly will I be getting definitive answers to me questions ?

Paul
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Thanks Jasenka. According to the description: "Digital Art – This includes photo montages, fantasy scenes, constructed landscapes, artificial scenes and any photo compilation that is surreal or unreal." And for the description for Photography Post Processing: "extensive use of Photoshop or other post processing techniques is allowed in all categories. However images that look like “digital art” rather than photography should be categorized as such. "

The photos I've mentioned are photo montages and constructed landscapes so I think that should place them in Digital Art. And they do not look like "real" photography due to the different angles of light, etc. To me, Photoshop post processing means editing for color, contrast, lighting, etc. even changing color or converting to B/W. The rules above should be clarified whether Post Processing includes combining elements from different photos though If it says Photo Montages fall under Digital Art, then this rule should be enforced.
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Hi Sandra, and you have quoted:"any photo compilation that is surreal or unreal", so if it surreal or unreal then it belong in Digital art category.
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My question is more about "Photo Montages" in general. It specifically states that these belong in Digital Art. The photo compilations in question are unreal as well.
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Trust me Sandra they will quote you the Pixoto policy but they won't enforce it. Leave and get your money back while you can?
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Sandra, I'm sorry I was not clear enough. Edited images and composites are allowed in all of the categories.
However if they look unreal or surreal they need to be posted in Digital art category.

Does that help?
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Sandra Pixoto / Jasenka are deliberately vague about these issues. I'm STILL waiting for my definitive answers Jasenka?
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Jasenka I'm STILL waiting for my DEFINITIVE answers .
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Sandra if you're under the misconception that Pixoto is a photography site let me help you out with that. It is NOT a photography site , it's a Digital Art site. My advice to you would be to request a refund quickly and leave for a real photo site such as Flicker. I hope this helps.

Paul
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Paul, I can tell you, as I am myself on Flickr, that you will find just as many "painters with a camera" there as you do here. You really put your foot in your mouth on this one....why don't you finally take a hint and go play somewhere else...
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Cailin I thought you were going to stop feeding the trolls. Go away please the adults are talking
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Sandra trust me Pixoto is NOT going to address your concerns. My advice to you stands.
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Paul, I don't agree with that assessment that Pixoto is not a photography site. There is a lot of great photography here that is getting the recognition it deserves. But digitally-altered photos belong in Digital Art and not in competition with photography.
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Sandra that is most likely true and if you're one of the lucky ones that is great however what is also equally true is that there is an amazing amount of photographic talent here that goes unrecognized largely because it is forced to compete with Digital Art, Now here is the question. Why should I pay good money for what was advertised to me as a competitive PHOTOGRAPHY site when I'm being forced to compete with Digital Art. It's also true that you'll find a lot of Digital Art on Flicker but the difference is that Flicker doesn't advertise themselves as a COMPETITIVE site.
Flicker also doesn't have the rude and abusive staff that Pixoto has.

Get your money back quickly Ma'am.

Paul
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Actually, the only person who's rude and abusive here is you, not the Pixoto staff. They have been more than patient with you. If I were on the staff, I would have kicked your ass to the curbe long time ago...
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Feeding the trolls again Cailin ? lol

Bruised Painter Ego Alert LEVEL 10 !! LOL

A fair fight is just so much more difficult to win isn't it Sir. lol
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Ranting old geezer alert level 10!!! Subject stopped evolving around 10 years of age, he thinks he's still in kindergarten and doesn't realise how ridiculous he sounds with his LOLs and Sirs, we should feel sorry for him, because he's quite obviously in the first stages of age-induced dementia.
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You MUST be running out of Troll food by now. lol
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Ok guys, this has evolved into basic childish mud-slinging. The Pixoto staff has been very understanding of my questions and concerns and I find no reason to trash them in such a manner even if I do not agree with them on some issues. I'm out of here...You two can fight on your own time and comment thread.

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