Voting stops at 66 -68 votes??

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Can you explain why most pictures advance rapidly to 66 to 68 votes and then come to a complete still. I does not seem correct that there is no possibillity to advance further. Please explain. Thanks!
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Maarten. It really depends on the voting patterns of users. If we get a rush of duels then images will progress really rapidly. If we don't have a lot of votes occurring then it will slow down. Also the likely hood of an image getting paired in a duel decreases as as the number of votes increase. That said by the time we assign awards we assure that all of the leading images, or images with the potential to lead, have enough votes.
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I don't think that's quite accurate. I too have noticed (last week and this one) that images posted on Wed. or even Friday got more duels than those that were on the board since the start. That seems unfair.

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Marianna. Can you post a few links so that we can investigate. Images posted earlier in the week should have a slight advantage in terms of number of duels (which, btw, does not mean an advantage in ImageScore). But it shouldn't be the other way around.
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Why are images posted early given lesser ImageDuels than images posted recently? I see that earlier images get stagnant around the 60 to 75 duel count, while others catch up to them very quickly. This discourages players from posting early, and seems unfair to those that do.

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Why do image duels stop around 60 - 70 count?.
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OK, for example: take a look at Hera Bell's entry (which won 1st place in the Fashion category last week): http://www.pixoto.com/images/leaderbo...
It was uploaded on Sept. 4th, had the 151 duels over the course of the week
vs. Paul Kepron's #5 image, which was uploaded 6 days later, and just one day prior to competition closing got 120 duels.

How can that be???
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Marianna.

Paul's image was just uploaded two days ago so hasn't had a chance to get enough duels. Hera Bell's image has not won last week - it is currently in the lead and Pual's image is catching up. Over the next few days you will see that Paul's image will get more duels than Hera's and they will end up with very similar duel counts by Wednesday night when we assign awards. The reason we don't assign awards until Wednesday (or Thursday) is that images submitted at the end of the week need a chance to get enough duels.

This seems to be the opposite situation of what you described above - do you have any examples of this happening: "Why are images posted early given lesser ImageDuels than images posted recently?" - this would not be an expected result and I would like to investigate.

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Aha! so in this case it makes NO sense at all to submit anything early and watch it sit idle for days while the rest of the world is still shooting and editing!
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Also, I read that a new week starts on Sat. evening CST. So if you keep taking count until Wed./Thursday, when you post the results, we are in fact dueling images posted in the second week. Which also means that if we post images after Sat. pm we end up dueling between our own shots?
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As far as I can tell there isn't an optimal day to submit images. If you want to wait until the last day - that's not a problem. One advantage of submitting early in the week is that your images will appear in the default view of "this week" for longer. If you submit at the end of the week they won't have that opportunity.
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The week starts on Sunday (GMT). Unpaused images are always playing images from every time period. If you put images in the same category they are bound to play each other.
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just an idea: have you guys considered putting a "hold" on all images submitted in a week, and releasing them all at once, at the same time? so for example, week 1: submit images from saturday to sunday, but do not put into duels. week 2: put all images submitted in week 1 into the duels, end of week 2: award the winners. this way, there wont be any need to wait for the late submitters to catch up to the early submitters?
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We'd actually have to wait longer in that case to get enough duels to those images - it would likely take a full week to get a result. Also - don't you think that would ruin some of the fun (i.e. the seeing your image immediately rise through the rankings)?
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I agree...it would be less fun
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I really like Anton's suggestion. This system will give all images the same chance!
There will always be activity on our work, so it really doesn't matter which shots are judged when, as long as the game is fair.
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I have wondered why some images with better scores are lower than mine and why some with lesser scores can be higher. Shouldn't the percentage of wins be the deciding factor.
Either way the fact that people are actually seeing the work seems to be the more important part of participating on this site. On many others if you don't join groups or follow others and get followed, the odds of anyone seeing your work can fall to nothing.
Winning is less important to me than knowing that more like than not.
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Richard. In creating ImageScore the system takes into consideration a number of factors, including (but not limited to) the difference in score between the images that are dueling the number of duels that they have had. % wins is a guide but is not the only consideration. One has to consider the quality of the competition.
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I think that the way its functioning now is great. That way all images get a fair chance of getting enough votes, and also getting seen by the majority of players. If you release them all at once, there is a fair chance some of us will not be able to see or judge on them accordingly.
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Thanks. I must say that at this point we are leaning towards leaving that element of the system untouched and instead focusing on optimizing the matching algorithm.
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The players need to take the initiative to ensure all their images are dualling at all times, I therefore suggest you go into your player page and request more votes by re-entering any paused images you have. To give your images optimum exposure!
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As a side-note to this...how about within a day... for daily awards. The "day" switches over at 4pm Pacific Time, so if I post at 2pm say... I only get 2 hours to compete for the day... anyway to bump it to the next day?

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