Voting has been really weird the past few days.

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The voting has been really weird the past few days. My images loose to some crappy images. Very few images reach past 600. This has been happening since three weeks or so. Challenge votes and biased voters seem to be the reason. Or should Pixoto tweek their algorithm to bring the best images to the top. I cannot possibly be here on Pixoto 24/7 so as to resubmit my images over and over again in hope that maybe I would get some fair voters. That might improve the scores. I sincerely hope and wish that voting would be fair and things improve here.
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I agree. I noticed a distinct change at the beginning of June and as the weeks have gone by, it's still the same. It makes me wonder if some change was made to the algorithm at the end of May.
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And the solution will be - - - -
another email begging people to vote !
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You gotta wait till Friday for that email.
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Lenore

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Yup, the bandaid that's supposed to fix the slashed throat....
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Yup, and that bandaid only goes to certain people, therefore screwing up the voting.
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It really seems something in the voting system has changed - and definitely for the worst. First of all images don't get normal amounts of duels anymore in earlier pace and then very strange voting occurs. In many cases it seems that voting is totally random, bias and even unfair - far from picking the better image of two. This has been going on now for a while. Then there's still the matter of many big Community Contests being in the voting stage repeatedly at the same time and slowing things down. People are really getting unhappy with these turn of events.

My suggestion is that the management really contemplated seriously the future of the Community Contests overall. Are they really necessary? What do they bring to Pixoto? You can clearly see a trend that serious photographers are dropping out one by one from even participating in them anymore (or voting for them) and some quit Pixoto altogether because multiple problems with the site. There are many treads on the Community page concerning these matters, but it seems that we members are left alone with our problems and nothing is done by the management to correct the situation.

I would go so far as to say that these futile contests are destroying Pixoto's professional brand. Is that what Pixoto is aiming for? With all due respect, you really have to come up with a solution concerning both the voting algorithm, random/bias voting and futile, multiple Community Contest running simultaneously asap.

Sincerely, Mia Ikonen
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I think we need Jasenka to relay this message to Jason and others and have one of them answer it here. They have been participating in other threads recently, so why can't they address this issue? I understand Pixoto is very small company and they do not have enough Operations people (if any) to properly and timely address technical issues and customer concerns (with all due respect to Jasenka), but if Pixoto wants to grow anywhere business-wise, they need to figure out how to grow or at least retain their customer base. As it is right now people are dropping from this site like flies. The funny thing is that many remaining and long-time customers are advising Pixoto of solutions that should help not only retain their customer base and make daily/weekly/monthly contests way more interesting, but also help their revenue (example being dropping money prize for weekly contests). Yet management does not seem to care or listen to what serious photographers are saying or at least it seems that way since there is no 2-way communication here. And one would think that serious photographers is what Pixoto should be aiming and caring for. Otherwise why even bother?

Jasenka, please send this off to Jason. Please have someone from development or management team (which seems to be the same team anyways) answer in this thread. Personally I would like to know

1) What's going on with the voting lately, why is it slow and inconsistent and what is being done about it except useless weekly emails asking to vote.
2) Since contests are the bottleneck, what's being done to solve this issue long-term?
3) Why Pixoto does not want to drop weekly cash prize? Isn't it obvious that many people are submitting very similar images (yet not similar by Pixoto definition) just to get the money?

Thank you!
Dmitriy
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And I agree with all above mentioned...

I too have rarely voted lately, not even after the mentioned email, and the way things are going it is becoming even bothersome to submit any new photo's as they stall very quickly. So, what's the fun on Pixoto these days?
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Ditto
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Agreed!!
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Hi all, thank you for feedback. I forwarded this topic to the management.
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Thanks Jasenka. Lookin' forward to their feedback.
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Thank you Jasenka!
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Any feed back received Jasenka?
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I agree voting is really weird lately, seems like half the votes are done blindly!
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Pixoto lately is not fun anymore , for 3 duels ned 1 day
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For about a week my submissions are struggling to get votes and the votes are erratic. I keep on resubmitting but that doesn't seem to help either. Anyone any idea?
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I'm in the same boat John. No idea on anything any of us can do :-(
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Same whith my submissions John, its no more fun to see how good images get only 400 points because of the few miserable Duels.
My idea John, is to go on holidays for a week or so and hope when i`m back it will be better! :-)
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I will echo all of the comments from above, I just thought it was a temporary situation but it looks like the norm now. My stats have dropped drastically, it's hard to get any kind of score with no votes and quick pauses.
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The fun has definitely left the building for me, with challenges being the main culprit. Some of us have had numerous suggestions on how to solve the voting trainwreck that accompanies these challenges, and nothing ever seems to be done, with the exception of receiving an email asking us to vote.

Where it used to be a thrill to see my images score in the 700's, I now pray they make it into the 600's. Perhaps my photography has lessened in quality and that is why it is not as well received as it has been for the last three years. I like to think it's something else, and, for me, it all goes back to the endless challenges on which we have to vote. There are, of course, voting irregularities, the biased voting, the family members and friends voting, etc., but I don't see any clear way Pixoto can do anything about that. They can do something about the challenges, but they don't. And to be honest, for the first time in three and a half years on this site, the thrill is gone. And that's sad.
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True John. Perhaps Renos' suggestion is to be followed. Planning a holiday and hope things are better when we come back. :-)
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Well said -and I agree 100% !
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Fated comrades, i am now going on holidays, Berlin and then Prague and hope when i`m back things are better, wave!!!! :-)
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Enjoy Renos! Beautiful places. And should you tag your camera along. Hope you get great pictures.
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I feel the same way John, I just want to give Pixoto a chance. My problem is I have gotten a lot of my photography friends involved with Pixoto and they are calling me to complain, just don't know what to tell them. Most of them will probably leave the site if this keeps up and that will really be sad. I used to get excited but now I have a hard time getting to the 500's and I don't think my photography has gone downhill that much in a short period of time. For what it's worth I really enjoy your photography, just wish I lived close to a Zoo like you do that I could get those fantastic shots.
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I've voted these last few days and I am getting too many challenges to vote on, its annoying and frustrating. I am sure many are skipping or just clicking any in this case to get rid of the duel. We don't care who wins these things, most of them are repetitive, exclusive-ie limited to one country-or just silly.The only person gaining is the moderator who gets the free credits for setting up these things.
We have suggested multiple times ways of dealing with these problems. Frankly I think now the only thing to do to keep Pixoto credible and stop you losing any more members is to remove the community challenges totally.
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Some challenges are meaningless,
1. red..red, blue..blue, green..green and it can go on for many colors,
2. anything that has XXX colors
3. one eye
4. two eye
challenges like these will have 2 images of different category, eg. an insect vs a people, how to vote like this?

I see these challenges I skip them.
I hope pixoto can remove all these challenges.
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Agreed!!
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Community challenges are not about photography anymore Ken. Just an easy way of getting lots of credits without having to vote. The simpler the standards the more submissions, hence more credits. That's why all these challenges "Any Black and White" "Any colour" Any Photo" "No limits".

I've stopped voting and seeing my normal daily submissions don't get a lot of duels anymore I probably will stop submitting.

Many photographers are feeling this way, so, unless Pixoto comes up with something, this site is slowly bleeding to death. We already can see it gasping for breath.
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Can't Pixoto just stop with the "Challenges?" or only have one or two added a week?? they are quite sickeningly silly at times!
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Jasenka, any response from the management on this? The whole July (and late June) is a mess in terms of voting.
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getting sad and discouraging here
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Hi all, can someone please post some links to images that are getting weird duels so we can check?
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Jasenka, I sent you an email with a few examples.
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Thank you Dipali, I forwarded them to be checked.
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Jasenka, I also sent you an email with some examples.
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Thank you for e-mail, I'll forward it too.
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I have to go back to July 7th to have a photo that has had more than 50 duels. Nothing since then has hit 50. It's not normal and it's not right.
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Is it possible that nobody is actually voting anymore? The points are being either bought with money or attained through hosting challenges and the number of people actually physically voting by choosing one photo over another has dwindled to where the site doesn't work properly anymore.
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Might be an explanation Sonya.
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It's a natural tendency for members not eager to vote if they lost confidence on the system. If the same kinds of images and just a handful of people just winning all the time. Having the same names popping up on the leaderboard must be discouraging to some members especially if the photos that always win are similar rehashed mediocre images.
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I have seen the same issues--and am tired of the "Challenges" voting--as most of them seem pretty silly and repetitive, as stated before. Seems like an image gets voted on about 10 times--then it stops. Crazy! And frustrating. And I must say, all the old water lilies with drops and roses with drops are back--along with non-native women in ridiculous headdresses (which still offends me as a Native American!). So we haven't made much progress in a lot of ways! And now tonight, the images that have been submitted are not showing up on the leaderboard. Maybe we ALL need a vacation!!
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What happens if we simply don't vote on a challenge?? Will we be penalized--that has happened to me before when I "skipped" a vote or two!! I am going to try that and see what happens--going on strike against the challenges! lol
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:-) Might help for you Karen but not the site, as the challenges have a set number of votes allocated to them with an end date. This means that someone else will have to do that vote, so the system will remain clogged.

For example: (these challenges currently are running

ANYTHING GOES
Submission Deadline: 7/10/2015
Winners Announced: 7/15/2015
Images Entered: 1,461
Votes Allocated: 10,227
Votes Cast: 6,005

10.227 votes are allocated here that need to finish before the 15th

ANIMALS OF ALL KIND
Submission Deadline: 7/9/2015
Winners Announced: 7/16/2015
Images Entered: 1,399
Votes Allocated: 9,793
Votes Cast: 5,464

9793 Votes are needed here before the 16th

These are only two examples of the dozens floating around devouring all the votes.

Submission of mine of a week ago have got around 50 to 60 votes only whereas a year ago it would have passed 100 within 2 days.

Also there is a "weirdness" in the pattern of voting at the moment. Images seem to stall after a max of about 10 to 20 votes when wins/losses balance out. 10 wins against 9 losses e.g.

In the past, if it stayed that low, even after resubmitting, it meant you just had a so-so image. Basically it happens to about every picture now. A few months ago I still tried for the 700's but as Reno and John Larson have stated, it is now difficult to get out of the 400's, let alone the 500's.
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That is a ridiculous amount of votes allocated to these pointless challenges!! no wonder it's all messed up, I really hope this is sorted out soon!
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It's getting really frustrating. Duels are taking forever and then even winning images are randomly stopping in the 500s and staying there for days, voting seems completely random much of the time, keep having to resubmit because of voters picking truly bad images, but doesn't make much difference because you're just starting over again & dealing with slow duels & bad votes again. Too many challenges that nobody cares about (these 'anything you got' challenges have got to go!!) and uncategorized is a completely pointless waste of everyone's time as well. I do love Pixoto, but it's getting a bit annoying now
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Other than the pointless challenges, I also agree uncategorized is a waste of time, I came across horse, flowers, birds, sunrise/sunset etc, is that so difficult to submit to the correct category?
IMHO this uncategorized category should not exist! it's drawing away the already slow votes.

Novice category is also another "uncategorized" category which it's necessary.
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I just came across this one:

FREEDOM OF CHOICE
Submission Deadline: 7/12/2015
Winners Announced: 7/17/2015
Images Entered: 2,058
Votes Allocated: 24,696
Votes Cast: 3,142

Almost 25 000 votes needed for this one alone before the 17th.

Come on Pixoto. I am not voting just to let a moderator gain credits.
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The bottom line on this endless pit of challenges being allowed is that Pixoto COULD do something about it, which would make this site vibrant and fun again, if they just took some of the "doable" suggestions, proffered by many of us, who help support this site, and finally implemented them. Then the voting chaos for the daily, weekly, monthly and yearly contest would be FIXED immediately, and we could all go on enjoying this site as we used to. But Pixoto chooses to remain silent and do NOTHING, so we all stay stuck in this quagmire of absurdly low contest voting and scores now, and for the foreseeable future.

They also know that of the 100,000 plus members on this site a very small percentage participate, or even read what's going on here in the Community forum. They also know that when those of us who don't want to settle for low scores on our work, will have to resubmit our images, which, of course, costs us credits. So the question is: is Pixoto all about money and the members be damned? There's nothing wrong with an online site being in business to make money, but when it completely overshadows the interests of it's members, it's time to pack your bags and go home.

A few days ago, I won #1 for the day in Animals with a score of 672. In the past, that score would have barely made top 5%. Three days ago, I won three of the top ten awards for the day (#4, 7, and 9). The last two awards were in the low 600's! Absurd!

We, as proactive members, need to stop bitching about challenges and voting and INSIST Pixoto do something about it! One member recently said he was going on vacation, indicating he was taking a break from the site, and that he hoped things would improve when he got back, yet he is still submitting images to the contest. And therein lies the crux of the problem and why Pixoto does nothing to solve it. They know they have us, those of us who like to compete, who like to see how our work stacks up against the best photographers on this site, who like having that feeling of accomplishment when we are rewarded with a top ten placement for the day or week or month. They know they have us when we posture on this board that we are taking a break or that we are quitting the site. They know that that very rarely actually happens. And those who do leave and have done well in the past, when we didn't have these multitude of obscure and childish challenges, eventually come back, because this site, despite all it's faults and inequities, is addictive!

It's time Dr. Pixoto gave it's struggling and addictive patients a REAL prescription, something that will give us some hope about the future of this site, and that they will finally listen to what it's patients are saying.
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Hear, hear.
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Very well said , John !'
You have summed up the problem(s) on this site
perfectly !
The only person who can " fix " this is Jason ---
because that's all there is to " pixoto "--- Him and a computer program ( Jasenka & the "report " team all work "remotely " , for pay , with a "playbook "
I'm sure !
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I loaded 11.7.2015 (morning on our time) 2 photos to b/w. They are over 600 but got only around 50 duels. Now is 13.7.2015 evening on our time....wondering just that how long more hours it will take to get 100 duels. And I have paid as pro?????? Say what ever say but dueling is not same as earlier. Looks more like end of this song:o) Hope that you can fix this problem soon! Thanks and have a very nice evening.
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Very well put, John!
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"One member recently said he was going on vacation, indicating he was taking a break from the site, and that he hoped things would improve when he got back, yet he is still submitting images to the contest. And therein lies the crux of the problem ..........."

That "one member" John Larson has a name and was only resubmitting same 2 images via his smartphone because of the known problem whith duels. I do not understand how the crux of the problem lies in resubmitting 2 images by that "one member" ???
I am not sure what that "one member" should think, when reading how you take note of his activities and why you are paying such a close attention ....... ??
That "one member" John, enjoyed his vacation and got also some great pictures!!!
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I'm happy for you Renos that you enjoyed your vacation which you so publicly announced on this forum, and apparently I was under the impression you were taking a break from Pixoto to go out and enjoy life a bit, and yet you were still entering photos, which after your grand announcement seemed a bit hypocritical, though I know you are desperately trying to catch up to me for year end rewards...lol.. My point was that Pixoto has those of us who like to compete and grow as photographers hooked on this site, which why even those who say they are going to take a break and see if things get better when they return, continue, as you did, to submit photos, which, of course, is your right. The point I was making was NOT about you, but about the power of Pixoto and why they don't seem in any hurry to put some meaningful fixes into this site. Sorry if your feelings were hurt. Wasn't personal, which is why I didn't mention your name.
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Once again John, i did not enter any images, i only resubmitted 2 images via my smartphone, two images that were loaded days before but did not get any duels. Even if i wanted to enter new images i couldn`t, because my computer whith all my images stayed at home. ;-)
And yes John, its an open secret that i`m desperatly trying to catch up whith you, :-)) .... keep on dreaming ....... :-)) **lol**!
John, my friend, if you think that making a break from Pixoto for some weeks or months will help improve things and pixoto hurrys up whith important fixes, count me in and let us go on strike! Are you in on it???
John, no reason to be sorry, you did not hurt my feelings, so please relax!!! :-)
Have a nice day and no hard feelings!
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If you two take a break it will give the rest of us a chance of wining something, lol. Kind regards to you both.
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lol...thank you, Michael...your inspiring work should run second to no one on this site!
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And Renos, the comment about trying to catch up with me was a joke. I know you've said on this forum that you would not vote for my images because you don't like my editing methods, but I'm good with that. Always good to know who is voting against you. ;) As for us taking a vacation from Pixoto, I stated my current stance on their problems with low voting in which I expressed my strong doubts if Pixoto will ever get this site fixed:

http://community.pixoto.com/pixoto/to...

"A couple days ago, I received awards in Animals for #'s 3, 4 and 5%. Three and four have scores of 630 and 634 and the 5% award is at 618, which is an absolute joke to win those awards with those scores. I'm seriously beginning to doubt if this site will ever be fixed. People are so fed up with the voting problems that when a duel comes up they just click on one to get it over with and move on to the next. I have lost to shots that were blown out, out of focus and totally boring. How anyone is supposed to take pride in any of the awards they receive now is beyond me!"
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Very refreshing comment Michael, thank`s, you performed a smile on my face!! :-))
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LOL....Renos and John can continue posting photos, it's those who post the purple flower with water drops, the bridge in sunset and the girl with the veil who might want to take a holiday and seek out new subjects. Judging by the dates on their photos, they haven't been taking any pictures in about a year!
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John, maybe, for you, it was only a joke, i was serious, i`m really desperatly trying to catch up whith you .......... *LOL*
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Enough fooling around John, .......... i have to agree whith what you wrote John, since a few weeks i experienced the same as you and others, good images get peanut points because of the few miserable Duels and resubmiting does not help at all-

I like John Phielix`s proposal:

1) "limit the number of credits a moderator can earn to, let's say, 300 credits, they'll probably stop creating these contests because it is of no use to them anymore".
(I would go further and limit all credits for moderators to 100 no matter how many entries they have)

2.) "limit the number of challenges one moderator can create to, for instance, one a week".
(... or 3 per month)

I would also limit the number of entries per user between 5 and 8 images!
Daily competition images should have high priority so that all Daily competition duels have the needed reserved portion of vote-duels.
And if sometimes challenges dont have enouph duels, its no problem,their deadline can be expired!
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Thanks Renos, for your support. And by the way, I did believe you were on holiday. :-) !!!!

I also read no ill words in John Larson's comment's besides a bit of sarcasm.

You two are great photographers in the animal category. Please compete with each other on quality.

My problem is, and should be yours, myriads of contests taking away fair votes.
Repetitive submissions of same type trying to get week/month prize

The problem can be easily fixed without getting into too much detail. Limit contests to one a week per moderator. Get rid of cash prizes. 20 Dollars as bonus might be not much for me but it is a lot in lots of Asian/African countries. More enough to cheat day by day. Should Pixoto make the cash-prize 1000 dollars a week/month, I bet even all our Westerners would start cheating.

Make it an even playing field. Get rid of the cash prizes. Give credits or a Pro account instead as bonus.

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