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I would like to know if it's possible to get a refund on my pro subscription. The reason I'd like a refund is because I don't feel that it's fair to have traditional photography compete in the same categories as photo stopped / computer enhanced photos. They are two separate art forms.One is photography and the other is " painting with a camera " Even an Ansel Adams photo wouldn't beat a Van Gogh painting were they considered as the same art forms. I will readily concede that I did not do my homework as regards Pixoto policies regarding the " painting with a camera " issue however the issue remains that they are not the same art forms and if Pixoto represents themselves as a photography site then they are being misleading at best. Failing a resolution of this issue I'm forced to conclude that this site is not for me. I would like a refund of my money please. By the way just so you'll know I have made an entirely reasonable , in my opinion , and to date apparently dismissed out of hand , suggestion that would resolve this problem.
I would appreciate a prompt response to my request from the Pixoto Photo Techno Geek Wizard Administrators please.
If you can please post an example of photo that you feel should be categorized in Digital art rather then other categories please post link to the photo and we will check it.
If you would still like to close your account and refund, please send e-mail from the email address listed on your Pixoto account to DISABLE@PIXOTO.COM and request the account deletion and refund.
I hope his helps.
You were very clear about what Pixoto allows as to computer enhancement but you did not even address my suggestion about where computer enhanced " photographs " should be posted nor my concerns about how those of us that do not computer enhance are supposed to compete on an even footing with those that do. It's patently unfair that non computer enhanced "photos" be judged as the same art form as computer enhanced photos. As for which specific photos I'm referring to all you'd need to do would be to look at the leader board in the " Flowers " category and I'm 100 % certain that 95 % of the top 500 places belong in the " Digital Art " category since they are obviously computer enhanced. It is rare on the same scale as a Haley's Comet sighting that a non computer enhanced photo makes the top 500 in that category. As far as a refund is concerned I'd far prefer that this issue just gets resolved in a fair manner that would allow my art to be judged on it's merits in the PROPER category. I do basically like it here but if I don't stand an even chance at the benefits of being a member here than I have no other alternative that I can see. Please advise ASAP. Thanks for your kind and prompt attention to this matter.
This is the # 1 rated " photo " in the " Flowers " category as we speak. If you would have me believe that this " photo " has not been heavily computer enhanced then I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.
This is my top rated flower in the " Flowers " category. Now please tell me how exactly you view these as the same art form? Also please tell me how I'm supposed to compete against this ? You will notice that my photo was taken outdoors and completely free of any computer enhancement or staging. I didn't even sprinkle water on them to spark them up. This was how the flower looked on the day I took it so this was what I photographed since it caught my eye as beautiful just the way it was at the time.
Jasenka please be advised that my concerns are not rooted in jealousy at all but rather fairness. The " photographic " artists that use computer enhancement / staging are indeed very talented artists but they should not be allowed to compete with those of us that are not " painters with a camera ". They / we need our own category. Please advise ASAP
I was going to write exactly the same thing. Any photographer, with the tools available these days, will logically try to make his photos look better, and as you say, how do you decide where it becomes "camera painiting" as Paul so poetically calls it?
The real problem and the major source of frustration on this site is that photographers are allowed to post the exact same kind of photo with just minor variations dozens of times, each time winning a prize, while other photographers make the effort to find various subjects and inspirations and show some originality, and are not rewarded for their work. THAT's the issue that should be addressed. If there were less of those super-photoshopped pictures that everyone has seen hundreds of times before and STILL keeps voting for (that's what I don't understand..) then the challenge would be less unfair.
It's not about being a grouch or sour grapes as Anne says above. I've won 82 awards and I agree with her. It's about having your efforts judged fairly. They are completely different art forms and should be judged as such. The practitioners of " painting with a camera " are indeed very talented artists in the artistic realm of Computer Techno Geek Wizardry however NOT photography.
Ansel Adams would lose to Vincent Van Gogh EVERY time were there respective works judged as the same art form. Thank God that didn't happen then or nobody would have ever heard of Ansel Adams.
Pixoto is never going to ban post processing and they are never going to create some mega digital art category where 99.9 percent of all photos submitted on this site will end up. To answer your question as to how you can compete against pp photos, my suggestion would be to give some thought to the old adage: If you can't beat them, join them.
Then perhaps you will move upwards from that top 20% award level, and Pixoto members will see the true "hidden" beauty of your work and vote on it accordingly.
Just a thought.
A note on a related topic here Jasenka. If this photo is indeed highly computer enhanced then this is what the " painters with a camera " should be striving for . This image looks like a photo as a photographer would express his art NOT like a painting that a " painter with a camera " employing Computer Techno Geek Wizardy would do and then pass off as photography.
Is Pixoto about photography or Computer Techno Geek Wizardry Jasenka.
And as for "painting with a camera" you need a good image to start with not a blank canvas ? so there is more than an average knowledge of photography to begin !
I suggest you carry out your "threat" and stop babbling on and whining about an unwinnable topic. Referring back to Jasenka's initial answer to you:
"If you would still like to close your account and refund, please send e-mail from the email address listed on your Pixoto account to DISABLE@PIXOTO.COM and request the account deletion and refund."
Warmest regards, John
The problem is I had only a cheap point and shoot camera in my backpack. Here is the same pic right out of the camera, with no editing...
Should I be stuck with the poorly exposed, unreal depiction of the scene. Or should I have done the retouching to make the scene as realistic as it was to be there at that moment in time? Truly interested in what anyone and everyone has to say. I like the resulting image so you won't hurt my feelings...thanks all!
Is your guilty conscience bothering you " painter " ?
And to answer your question, my conscience is very clear concerning the work I produce. You sound like a spoiled little kid who is jealous his work can't measure up to others so he has to come up with some excuse as to why his work isn't being accepted. Time for you to grow up and stop blaming others for your lack of success.
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