Unusual images and win-loss ratio on leaderboard?

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I've noticed two images on the leaderboard with a very unusual win-loss ratio, both originating in Croatia. I wouldn't think twice if they were amazing images, but IMHO, they're not, which is why I looked at them in the first place. Also, they have a lot of votes for being submitted today, and they both have the same (ultra-low) number of losses. I'm thinking the site was hacked, or someone figured out a loophole, or there is a bug in the dueling today. Can you look into this?
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As of this evening, everything looks normal again now!
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I also saw a shot that makes me wonder... Really cannot imagine it being on the first place in a category... Not a bad shot, but a very very normal, not outstanding shot that IMHO should not be on the leaderboard at all.....
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Can you guys send along the links to those images?
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Can som help here please ...http://community.pixoto.com/pixoto/to...
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thank you ...
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There are two more pics on the leaderboard today that seem low quality. Is it possible to investigate the voting history? I'm guessing there is some collusion.

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

This photo here was one that had an 80% win rate at one time (108W - 29L) at one time.
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

All the same photographer...
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I have to agree, especially the little girl in glasses eating popcorn. Very nice and cute image but not a 699 point image. Voting history should be looked at.
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Every time I see a photo that looks out of place, it seems to have the same origins from a few photographers in the same city. I wonder if there is a little community there that votes up each others images? Though honestly, 108-29 seems a little extreme, even for that type of collusion.

All a theory though... I really have no idea what is happening.
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I totally agree with you David....
Something is amiss.
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Thank you for reporting. We are investigating.
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I must join this discussion and also share my concerns with you...

Although I'm also from Croatia some really unusual pictures are now on the leaderboard. Like this:

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...



Win-loss for this picture: 159-64? What is so special about it?

Seems to me that there is a certain group located in Zagreb (capital of Croatia) that is voting for each others photos at given time.

I would also add that this photo was taken with a Sony DSLR-A300, but the rest of her photos are taken with - Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ50

And isn't that a surprise - This guy from Zagreb is using - Sony DSLR-A300.
David mentioned him in a couple of posts above.

I must add that Im not reporting those people because im jelaous for beating my photos. I am just saying that some things look very very strange.
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Good catch. That's a really high win rate for a picture that's not in focus.
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2 of them with 4 pictures in overall leaderboard:



Strange?
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Sorry* - 3 pictures..
One was copyryght infrigement by Tracie Christine (that I also reported earlier)
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Yup, that's what I'm talking about.
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oooh jeez, another bad story. but you're right, some pics (not stunning ones) get really very good rankings and it doesn't seem fair. If there is really a small group voting for each other, they shouldn't be on a site with competition. It must be very difficult to control this with so many members but could be nice to do something against this.
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Now, you made me curious! Following picture, also from Zagreb and the same people has a lot of points. I'm not a photographer and not a photoshop expert but when I look at the black background, I see a lot of grey spots. It doesn't look clean at all. I'm not sure with this post processing but maybe it must be like this

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
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Yes, background was removed. You can clearly see spots around the rope.
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they have used levels to darken the background and you can see a few lighter areas in the black not just near the rope - imo
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that's what I thought because I sometimes use also the levels to do it but after this you have to clean all the white spots if you want it nice. Anyway, again: a loit of points for a so-so picture
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I agree.
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It looks like they've won some money. There's definitely some incentive to cheat.
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I am so glad someone else noticed this. I may be bit biased toward my own favorites, but I could not understand how my photo was constantly losing to the photo currently leading the travel category. There are others in the top ten that I think are clearly better than mine, but the leader just does not fit.
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Eli, yours is beautiful. Clear. Sharp. And the place is really special and stunning. I hope you get an award for this one
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Submit while Zagreb sleeps
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good idea. Let's hope they sleep at night !!!! I'm not and I'm 6 hours ahead with Europe
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I've noticed this trend right from the get go....
My images may not be earthshaking, but why should I have to deal with underhandedness in the past-time that I cherish the most?
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Thank you all very much for your concern. We have indeed found that there was a group of users in Croatia that were voting for other specific users images. They had figured out a way to do this that got though our defenses (we found a few other groups in the process). Thankfully we now know how to catch this bad behavior and can block it going forward. The effected images will be resubmitted so that they can get fair voting.

It should be noted that we cannot say for sure whether the photographers who’s images were effected were actually involved. It could simply have been a group of patriots voting for their countrymen’s images for example.

You attention to these types of issues is very much appreciated and it is through your hard work and keen observation that will help us improve Pixoto. Thank you.
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Thanks Jason, hopefully you haven't paid out too much money to them. I've noticed they have gotten some first place finishes.
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Fantastic work Jason. Thank you.
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Awesome. I'm glad there is a way to track it.
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By the way, this was one of the pictures I noticed on Christmas day. It was one of the 109W-29L pictures that I originally started this thread about.
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Thanks to the team. Good that you could track them. I don't understand where is the fun for these people. if it's for the money, they could try to sell their images. There are some croatian on pixoto with really nice stunning pics!!!
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There are great photographers from Croatia and many other places indeed...
It may sting at first to realize that there are many photographers better than myself, but it does give me something to aim for and aspire to in the future.
Thanks Pixoto team for getting to the bottom of this.
And SHAME on those who abuse and pollute this beautiful art form.
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Good Work
This Site is really GREAT !
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Nice job jason and keep up the good work.
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I have asked and still don't understand why my images keep getting paused at around 505 and less. Please clear up my confusion. I honestly don't think they are that bad. Please look at them and let me know. If they are I will stop putting them on pixoto.
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At 505 you are better than more than 60 percent of the images on the site. But to remain unpaused your Images need to be in the top 25%. In order for pix onto to work most images need to paused at some point so we can focus voting to determine the best of the best.
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505 isn't a terrible score... That's kind of the beauty of this whole thing. You can find out what people really like. You can always resubmit the image if you didn't think it got judged fairly.
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I can't set the computer to fit the editing thing photo scape so that I can get to save. So my pictures are just edited with contrast, sharpen, light & dark, Color.

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