two different accounts one user same duplicate pictures

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http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra... submitted april 2
then
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
May 30, 2012

he is aware of his duplicates one account the last submission was June 10 http://www.pixoto.com/sengq/recent
the other account the last submission is today http://www.pixoto.com/sengkiu/recent

will his accounts be suspended?
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Hi Jay, where are you living? Do you have the same time as me or are you still not sleeping?
Anyway, you do a lot of work and find a lot of wrong stuff here. I think I will stop reporting and I will quit anyway soon. It's getting too frusrtating. I feel like there is no way to have cheaters stop. It is in their mind. If somebody is not fair, then he is just no fair in anything he does in his life. The only reason I'm still here is because there still are good people here. But unfortunately there are also the cheaters and they are becoming more and more every day. The duels are no fun any more. Have you tried to send a copy of your topics to Jason or/and Justin? jason@pixoto.com. There is no or only very little feedback from the team for all your work. I think they are to busy to read all the topics.
If you like to see nice pictures from all around the world you can contact me on facebook. Just under my name (michelle meenawong). I wish you a nice day
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I'm from the Philippines. The reason why I reported a lot of duplicates because I always see them in the duel. I also look at the work of other photographers, get some ideas and study compositions. Im an amateur so Im hoping a lot from those who have professional experience, but sometimes I learned different things-like flipping cropping etc etc

sometimes duplicates are paired with each other. then later I'll see the same picture in another category. probably I have sharp memory with things that what is obvious I can see. It feels like Im doing the job of the moderator. hahaha. I should have been paid since then.
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ah then you are not far from my place. I'm in Thailand. I also have a good visual memory. The people I have seen stealing pictures from others was because I have seen them somewhere else and on my facebook they are many photographers who also share good pictures. If you want to have a look go to fb (michelle meenawong). I I type your name I will get hundreds of Jays I believe
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we're already friends on facebook. you just added me. I used another name here
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Michelle Meenawong

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ah ok, then just write me on fb that you are the jay on pixoto otherwise I get confused
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They really should offer you a free pro account for all your work Jay.
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I feel very frustrated as well but I am not ready to throw in the towel. I am tired of letting the bullies and bad guys win all the time. Hopefully Jay and dedicated people like Jay can help make this site a better one. I believe he is actually making a difference. In case i have not said this, Jay, thank you very much for your hard work and vigilance in helping to find issues and pointing them out to us. If we let the cheaters know that we will not take it any more and we will hunt them down and have their accounts deleted maybe they will think twice about being dishonest. I know that they will always come up with a better way to cheat but that just means we have to come up with a new way to catch them. There really is no other site like Pixoto and I would hate to see it fail. If we all do this together and make enough noise then they will have to listen to us and let us know exactly what they are doing and have planed to make improvements on these very important issue. For Jay to be catching these violations almost daily (and he is only one person) then the problems have to run deep. As wonderful as Jason's algorithms are in handling scoring they can't catch multiple accounts or non exact duplicates. I am hoping that the team will respond publicly in this forum to let us know how they are going to handle this issue in particular and the many other very important issues we have been asking about. Please hang in there for a while longer. Many of us would miss you and your photos if you left. :(
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I think 65-75% of I reported were recategorized. I see them sometimes in duels that's why. when I see these pictures in the duel I just don't skip them I hunt down the photo which is easy to find since I search and look for the pictures in their subcategories then I get to know the tog and it's like a window that opens for me to see more duplicates, triplicates, cheating in mobile, flipping and the art of cropping. Ive reported so much more. more than I posted here in the forums.
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and even the people they follow do the same mistakes
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that's maybe also a problem. If they follow people who are doing this, they think it's okay. It's like a chain reaction.
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very good said Andrew. Jay does a good work. I try also to find wrong stuff (like comparing some pics with Tineye where you can catch stolen pictures). The shame is, it takes very long time to do it. I can do it some days but also would like to spend some free time to shoot photos. But if everybody helps everybody, we can do it. I also love pixoto which was so great when I registered last August. We definitevely need help from the staff also. They are the only ones who can delete these cheaters account. Have you noticed that all these people never answer in the topics??
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yeah, but I think they do their parts. because when I check back the photos I reported I am satisfied with the results
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Good, then let's keep reporting. It's tiring but if we can achieve something, I will continue
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Very good attitude Michelle. We need to support each other to fight against the dark side of the force. :)
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It sounds like Star Wars, lol, lol
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I believe they answer when they can but try to avoid getting too involved. I understand up to a point but I think the point has already gone to far and the team needs to deal with all these issue as they are reaching a boiling point. I think we all do what we can but most of us do not want to spend what little free time we have doing what Pixoto should be paying people to do. It is their responsibility to make sure this site is fair and honest and they are letting us down at this time. Hopefully they are working hard on solutions as we type these responses.
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jay I went one of the sites and see that it is indeed seems to be the same user with 2 user names
and many of the same photos on both profiles.
http://www.pixoto.com/sengkiu
http://www.pixoto.com/sengq
The user names are different but the full name on each profile is the same.

Please someone else triple check as I do not want to falsely accuse anyone wrongly.
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I would like to add another (top) player to this list. Please check these :
http://www.pixoto.com/ed.von.ems
http://www.pixoto.com/ed_von_ems
Also with many simular, mirrored and photoshopped images.
I reported this a while ago to the staff, but I think they can hardly follow the flood of reported abuses. It is not my intention to offend any person, but Imho players at the top should have a profile which represents the 'public relation' of the site.
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This is great. now we have a community of watchers. the more people joining us in this cause the better for the competition and the website itself.
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Now if only we can get Pixoto to act upon these violations. Lets see how long it takes for them to fix this, if at all.
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we have to report as many as we can
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Thanks for reporting. We will delete the second accounts and warn the photographers in question.
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Interestingly these two people follow each other too. They both have each other in followers list .
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haha. the duplicate accounts follow each other? anyway thanks Jason.
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Jason. Any progress on deleting the second accounts? I still see all of them are live.
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I noticed that this users second account
http://www.pixoto.com/sengkiu
http://www.pixoto.com/sengq
has been deleted but the one below from ed.von.ems ed_von_ems
http://www.pixoto.com/ed.von.ems
http://www.pixoto.com/ed_von_ems
has not. I am hoping he is not getting special treatment just because he has so many points. He may be a better photographer than most but I believe he is subject to the same rules that we all are. I won't even bother mentioning all the similar and flipped photos he has. :)
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It has been quite a while when I reported Ed's double account to the staff. I was told that the second account was to be deleted and the photographer would clean up his portfolio but until now I've seen little difference.
It is a pity to see that someone who IMO produces great images does not comply to the conventions and keeps on manipulating each shot in order to gain the maximum of scores and awards. It has to be said also that he is not the only one of the top players who is acting that way...
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we need a loud voice for the complaints to be heard. we may not be sure but he is not the only top player cheating. there are more doing duplicates, triplicates, quadruplication, even 5 fold, flipping, and cropping to double their points. Being the top player here in pixoto is not about quality of shots. Its about quantity - I might be guilty of this "quantity" too recently. The more images posted in a week will give a chance to get more points and climbed to the top ranks in no time. I observe this in my category. Some togs were never on the top 20 two or three months ago. but since they submit massive number of photos each week they climbed to the top 10 in just a month's time and I dropped from the top spot. So I tried to submit more images to catch up but I felt bored about it- this is not really a big deal for me since I'm more focus on the weekly contest. Which so far Ive won 19 no.1s since September
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Thank you very much. It feels good knowing that you are responding to these issues.
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Michelle Meenawong

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yes really
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nothing to do with duplicate accounts (because the user in question has already had his second account deleted, thanks pixoto) but can I get some feedback about these 2 images please?

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

I got these two on my desktop (yes its possible and i must stress I DONT make a habit of it before I cause any grief) rotated the second and overlaid them.

1 plane has been removed in the second and other than that it is a rotation of the first. are they considered duplicates??

Im asking as I reported them as such when they were submitted AGAIN (yes hes done it before) and they are still here - the first one having won a daily award and looking likely they will both get top 10 of the week
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if you take a look at the smoke trail of plane at the far right (http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...) it is very obvious that is was cropped from another plane, the middle white smoke trail plane. observed very carefully that the far right plane is a cropped image thus making it a composite
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Wow. you are good at this Jay. You have a gift of detailed observation.
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my new observation : even the trail of the blue plane is still seen on the white trail of the far right plane
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I personally would consider them to be similar enough to be considered a duplicate. They both even have the same exif data. IMHO
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could not see these. One is deleted already. Really Jay, you're good. So is Michelle
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nope the alleged composite image is still there. the other one was remove either by pixoto or the tog.
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this tog had many photoshopped pictures and duplicates, he oddly removed all images a couple of weeks ago and started submitting the odd one each day since, its a shame that what he is submitting now is just the same images he had previously - and they are still fake.
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Michelle Meenawong

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Is this obstination??
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I noticed that this users second account
http://www.pixoto.com/sengkiu
http://www.pixoto.com/sengq
has been deleted but the one below from ed.von.ems ed_von_ems
http://www.pixoto.com/ed.von.ems
http://www.pixoto.com/ed_von_ems
has not. I am hoping he is not getting special treatment just because he has so many points. He may be a better photographer than most but I believe he is subject to the same rules that we all are. I won't even bother mentioning all the similar and flipped photos he has. :)
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it has been removed already :)
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Awesome. Its getting better all the time. :)

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