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I have discovered Pixoto in spring 2015, and found it interesting and fun at first. Unfortunately, as time went by I became more and more frustrated. The thing that made Pixoto frustrating, and the reason I used that exact word, was that it has the potential to be great, but it isn't yet. It has its issues.
To start the new year on a positive note, I decided to try and help Pixoto and its community to understand each other by addressing the issue that seems to have been troublesome to many of the users here. That issue seems to the "repetitiveness rule". The rule is detailed here (correct me if I am wrong):
The first two sentences say:
"NO VERY SIMILAR IMAGES: You may submit an unlimited number of images but each one must be significantly different from the others. This means only one image of any subject and scene/pose combination is allowed."
Now, in accordance with the linked rule, and other Pixoto rules, please have a look at the 9 cases presented in this file:
and kindly declare here, publicly, which of the presented cases does NOT represent repetitive and very similar images, and if possible, provide a short explanation of your decision.
I am sure that if you do this your users, including me, will finally understand the rules, your decisions when you don't react on the reported images, and many other issues. It will also, hopefully, stop the constant arguing about repetitive images as well.
Hope this will help make Pixoto a great community it is destined to be.
Cases 4 and 9 can be considered as similar photos according to Pixoto because one picture is the closeup of the other. The rest of them will be different, again according to Pixoto as the angles are different.
Let us all finally understand the rules hopefully.
Case 1 - second image is very similar to last one. First image has different pose (opened beak and tongue out)
Case 2 - #2 and #4 are very similar to #5
Case 3 - Pose is different (keychains are in different pose) so they are not very similar images
Case 4 - One is just zoom/crop of other so one is very similar image
Case 5 - #1, #2, #3 and #4 are very similar.
Case 6 - #1, #3, #4, #5 and #6 are very similar
Case 7 - #1 is very similar to #2 and #3 is very similar to #4
Case 8 - All images have same subject but different scenes
Case 9 - one looks like crop/zoom of another so one is very similar image
Please report images that are very similar.
I hope this helps.
Case 5 is a especially interesting, there are couple photographers whose profiles are full of those photos. They must be brothers ;-)
Your suggestion of three strikes and you're out seems a bit harsh, Bill, especially for those of us, including you, who inadvertently post very similar images on occasion. You're asking Pixoto to make an impossible call as to whether the posting was done inadvertently or intentionally to deceive and cheat. There are many respected togs on this site with thousands of images posted, and occasionally some variation of an image that was worked on in post processing slips through the cracks and is posted. To label them all as chronic offenders and then to ban them from posting for a year makes no sense.
To me, the real crime on this site is to allow someone to post forty, fifty shots of the same subject with only a very minute variation to each photo. The photos are usually colorful with a somewhat interesting subject and they all score very high and get top ten awards. Then at the end of the year that tog receives a Best Photographers of the Year award, where, in my humble opinion, it is not even remotely deserved.
we all know who posts similar images all the times. I bet that most users even know the exact names of the authors who's images are presented in example cases here. I have reported most of the images in the above cases before writing this post, and you didn't react. I even reported with a link to which image is the reported image similar, but with no effect. After seeing your response here Pixoto, I can only conclude that you just don't care, otherwise you would have sanctioned certain profiles somehow a long time ago.
In order not to spoil anyone's fun here by my nagging, since this is really not fun for me anymore, I bid you all fare well and hope to see you somewhere else, in perhaps a better atmosphere. I have filed my request for my account to be disabled. For those of you who choose to stick around, I hope this thread can help you in your fight against repetition here.
To Pixoto: consider a simple solution. Pick top 20 profiles that are repetitive (don't tell me you don't know which those are) and which images sell well (because, I understand, you have to make money to keep this going) and make them partners. Give them a special section of the site where they can publish their images, make them stars, share profits with them, and remove them from the voting process and from showing up in rankings. This seems to me like a win-win solution.
All the best to all of you!
Overall, this can be a fun and interesting site and a great learning experience, and every once in awhile you'll get a fair and honest voting pool that will recognize the excellence of your work and vote accordingly, and that, for me, is the one hope that keeps me here. For others it's the weekly cash prize at any cost, but I don't see Pixoto being able to fix that anytime soon, and will always have to rely on members reporting images that skirt the rules. Anyway, my advice is hang in there. Hopefully the frustrating things about this site will eventually change for the better. With the emphasis on "hopefully."
There are plenty of other online galleries for showing work and conversing with like minded photographers. So I say leave the site and don't look back because nothing will change. The voting is almost impossible to regulate and money makes the world go round. If repetitive images means money for the site then only a lunatic would change the system. When I first joined Pixoto I looked forward to the competitions thinking the "game" was played on a level playing field and that people would adhere to the rules and have the common decency to vote truthfully. Alas not, whenever money is involved less scrupulous people seek to gain an advantage.
I haven't left already because I've paid my subscription and I'm a stingy mother. See what I mean about money.
Stephen, I know you take phenomenal bird pictures.
Kreso you too are a wonderful photographer.
As Pixoto's Staff has been quite responsive to this line of questioning and seems to be interested in our complaints we should not quit the site but instead keep up the pressure for change. John, you indicated a belief that my proposal seemed harsh but it was merely a proposal not a dictate. I am however indicating a belief there has to be a consequence to someone who flaunts not only the rules, but the purpose of the site.
Simply change the rule to allow ONE PHOTO PER SUBJECT MATTER OR IMAGE!
Having a subject move a couple inches or turn slightly is not a different photo in my mind.
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