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I'm new to this...yep just today. As I voted I notice a definite level for most of the pics. Sure I agree there is room for taste but then I started to open the best of pics. I saw the same pictures from the same photographer, same model, same Indian headdress same airbrush same edit, same crop all rated in the 700's bla bla bla. WAIT some were turned into B&W and still in the 700's. http://www.pixoto.com/amond.ramandhar... If we are going to take this seriously and feel comfortable that you are on the up and up...how can this happen. In some shots all she did is turn her head an inch and still rates 700 for the same pic. Notice I did not say anything about the quality of editing...individual taste I'm sure and I'll leave that up to others to judge but in my book these are the same pictures for the last year...well almost. There is a model that has the same headdress on as 8 months before. 8 months ago she scored in the 600's only the editor forgot to take out her bloodshot pink eye and she still is scored in the 600.

I saw this below...after you look at this photographers page...how can this be true.

Officially the new rule will be:
NO VERY SIMILAR IMAGES: You may submit an unlimited number of images but each one must be substantially different from the others. You may however delete an image and resubmit it at any time. If reported, and we agree that the images are not distinct enough, the newer image will be deleted. This is critical for keeping the Pixoto community vibrant, exciting and fun.
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Here is a small sample.
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Oh yes...I just don't vote any longer for any of those pics. Probably doesn't make a difference, but it's my way of trying to support the "no similar photos" concept.
And no, Pixoto won't do anything about it.
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Haha...welcome to the Pixoto madness!!! Do you have any ideas how many times this has been addressed already and yet Pixoto always gives you the same answer "we found those photos not very similar"?? It's total bullshit and it will probably never go away as long as Pixoto doesn' change the rules regarding submission of "almost" identical pictures. It's very annoying and frustrating. The only thing you can do is NOT VOTE for those photos.
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After I saw your post I went back and looked to see if there were different photographers with the same pics. Although not exactly the they are of the same model and same makeup. They just have their heads turned a different way. Funny thing is they are all on the leaderboard. See pic below.
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Not only that...look at these two shots that are both on the leaderboard. They are under two different names and yet they are of the same model with the same clothes and makeup on. I just saw multiple shots of the same people with different names on the leaderboard. I would guess that they are all voting for each other and that is why they are all on the leaderboard. Something smells fishy here....

BTW...on the second picture as with all the pictures on this persons site the "Image Info/EXIF" data has been stripped off. Go figure....

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Ok it's getting late and I need to get to bed. But here is an amazing example. And this will be the last. I just found it but compare it to the pics on the first photos. It's the same girl. Here is the strange thing. This picture was put up about the same time and yet it only scores a 197 and its still up there. ALL my stuff was paused after a scoring like that. This is really starting to smell.
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To me this, and the others like it, are unreal and should be in digital art. No one has the unreal smooth skin like this, it is not natural and obviously air brushed. Her eyes are also not natural and enhanced. I'd never vote for this kind of shot but would prefer a real natural beauty.
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And does this guy Didiet really have an armband with a swastika????
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1) Stand next to wall

2) Bang head against it repeatedly

3) See step 1 and do over......
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Yes... I said it before... one of the rules state (DONT POST TOO IDENTICAL/SIMILAR PHOTOS) but most of the "BEST" post 10 to 20 identical photos every-time... portraits and flowers are just 2 good examples...
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And how many times do I have to see this photo ? http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra... I see it over and over!
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Aaaaargh!!!! (Bangs head against wall...).
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This morning I went to the leaderboard and decided to just pick the top pic and see how many versions of the same picture the person had. Here is just a few. The disturbing part is the high scores on all of them. I just have a hard time believing that this is the top pic. THE TOP! A score of 800. I will say I thought this site was a great idea. As an investor I wish I had thought of it. But these people that run this have to realize that people are not going to stick around very long when they start to realize this is what is going on....like myself. They should have a "wall of shame" and put you picture on it if it shows up more then once. The voting is what is bothersome. How can the same flower be at the top?
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AT LAST!! A followup question please Jason. WHEN will you do something about it. I'm not looking for a definite date, more a timescale. Which of the following is closest in your mind? Later today, next week, a couple of months, it'll take a year, or when hell freezes over?
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Rusty, this flower is really beautiful and unique. It deserves to be shown more than once. This photographer made wonderful photos of passiflora. Nobody forbides you or me to do the same. As the matter of fact he has different beautiful photos of landscapes and different flowers and plants and I admire his work. All of these photos are highly scored, and I think his work deserves that. The voting process on pixoto is discrete, so nobody of us knows whose photo that is when we vote, what means that people here like this flower. I don't agree with you for this comments, this is fer play here, who is better, gets the highest scores, and we choose, so take better pictures instead of blaming others for success ;)
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Irena, no one is disputing the fact that it's a beautiful photo, our problem is with the fact that some photographers, once they have found a winning formula, use and abuse it over and over again, and no, that is NOT fair play, because it takes away votes from the other photographers who also deserve to have their photos appreciated. If everybody did that, Pixoto would become a very boring site indeed, because we would keep sing the same photos and noone would ever make the effort to try and offer something new and exciting.
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Irena...with all due respect. I just went to the leaderboard and this this is the page from the person that took the pic. Seriously you are telling me that this is not gaming the system. Even the bridge shot that are in here are of the same bridge I've seen in other pics over and over again. Wait...over and over again along with the tiger in the zoo. I've looked at some of these flowers on other peoples pages and technically they would never fly in a reproduction. Highlights a blown out and in some there are shadows right across the flower. Yes they are "pretty" flowers but they are just factory pictures that are not of quality. But if they meet your level of satisfaction and you don't mind looking at the same shot over and over again your life will be perfect. I can't imagine walking into a gallery and seeing all of these pictures on the wall See photo way below....as new link
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Irena, indeed, you had right, this flower deserve to be showned more than once. It's back with another totally new position
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Hello Rusty, from contest rules: "...only one image of any subject and scene/pose combination is allowed", so if scene/pose and/or subject changes images are not very similar.
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They told me that would be your canned answer. They being the other people on here. That is why I "copied" the below note from YOUR SITE. These people are gaming the site. Playing you and the rest of us. I would think you would be a little upset at these photographers. Others are spending good money and time on your site. If you look at the below note copied from your site it talks about "substantially different" and you will decide. Are you telling me that the first set of pics above is substantially different. I guess so or you would not have written/copied your canned answer.

Voting: You can't tell the rest of us with a straight face that this headdress girl is the best you have to offer. Hard to believe everybody is voting for these pics each day with some of the other great pics.

You also said in the copied note that you would delete pics. YOU SHOULD> the girl in the headdress is about as similar as you can get. You don't have to delete them...just take them off the voting page and these people will stop doing it.

AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT THINKS THIS? Chime in!

Copied from YOUR SITE:

Officially the new rule will be:
NO VERY SIMILAR IMAGES: You may submit an unlimited number of images but each one must be substantially different from the others. You may however delete an image and resubmit it at any time. If reported, and we agree that the images are not distinct enough, the newer image will be deleted. This is critical for keeping the Pixoto community vibrant, exciting and fun.
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Totally agree with you. Telling us these photos are not "very similar" is pure hypocrisy, or else all the Pixoto employees are blind.
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Same answer ! Always ! I give up !
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Each one of these pics on the top (most) are factory pics. Look on the peoples page if they have a pic of a flower...they are all the same. Over and over again. I say again....wait "you" said....

Officially the new rule will be:
NO VERY SIMILAR IMAGES: You may submit an unlimited number of images but each one must be substantially different from the others. You may however delete an image and resubmit it at any time. If reported, and we agree that the images are not distinct enough, the newer image will be deleted. This is critical for keeping the Pixoto community vibrant, exciting and fun.
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We are obviously stuck with having many very similar images. This could easily be fixed by changing the wording from 'no very similar' to 'no identical', it won't make most of us happy, but we won't have reason to complain.
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Jasenka, try to understand what we are saying here: imagine a singer who would have a hit song, just ONE hit song, and who would decide that he would never sing anything else because it's so much easier to just change a few notes here and there, change the lyrics a little bit, and then sing that song over and over again with those minor variations on a same theme. What would happen? He would become a laughingstock of his former fans because they would have realised that he's unable (or not too lazy) to produce anything else. Noone would buy his CDs and noone would go to his concerts. Yet this is exactly what you are encouraging here: these people who are too lazy to try something new, once they have had that ONE hit. How can you ever justify that? And please don't give us again that "copy and paste" answer...try to think for yourself.
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I would agree. But I would let the people put their pictures up here but JUST NOT FOR JUDGING!
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The very simple thing to do is ,ignore those pictures .
Udi
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I do not want to bore you but worth looking into how to make a portfolio of images that are not similar (Pixoto already analyze them and they are all right):

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At first I thought that these were yours Mihai but then I realized that are for somebody else. Actually only a couple of people when searching the word bridge. But these couple of people scored well.
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One proposal:

we do not vote for them, it's ok, but let's have the following comment for them:

Officially the new rule:
NO VERY SIMILAR IMAGES: You may submit an unlimited number of images but each one must be substantially different from the others. You may however delete an image and resubmit it at any time. If reported, and we agree that the images are not distinct enough, the newer image will be deleted. This is critical for keeping the Pixoto community vibrant, exciting and fun.
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OR...just put in one or maybe even two and list the others as "other in the category and they will not get voted on.
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The street abomination is probably the most irritating...it seems this person simply steps out of his house every morning, takes exactly the same shot from his doorstep - of course, from day to day the light would vary a little bit - then submits it and gets a high prize. And this is what Pixoto labels "photographer of the year"??? This is a joke, right?
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many "photographers of the year" have profiles full of duplicates...it makes the title meaningless.
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Yes I agree...
At this pint it has to be one of two things. These are all plants and people are just paid to submit them to fill the files or these people have figured out how to make money at this somehow. I don't think you can on here but I could be wrong.
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I sent this link off to the CEO. It says he is in Boulder CO in the USA but I wonder. I would say Romania (they do much site work) or Pacific Rim someplace. Hope I'm wrong but we will see. Maybe I'll have lunch with him when I'm out there. LOL
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I've started reporting them. Click on report then scroll down to: "Repetitive....etc..."
Maybe if enough of us do this, someone at Pixoto will get the message.
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I did that too but it did not do any good from what I see. People are also doing black and white of the same image. I think the reason they score well is because they flood the site.
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I agree, I've noticed one profile today that appears to duplicate most of his profile into b/w.
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I think you'll find that Pixoto is actually a business run out of someone's home - don't expect too much ;-)
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As I'm sure you all are aware the photos show above do not fall into our definitions of "very similar images" for a variety of reasons (e.g. smiling in one and not the other, taken on different days, different model, one in B&W and one in Color, etc.). I do not think our definition is perfect but it also has been something that we can train our report team to moderate with some consistency.

That said - there is a undesirable by-product of our voting system. Certain images really register with a wide cross section of people and do well in voting. Some photographers then decide - well if the first one did well then maybe I should submit another. It will likely do well too - and will continue to do well each time a different variation is submitted. Since the voting is blind - this is the expected, and desired result.

Unfortunately for some photographers this has gone way overboard. Jasenka and I were talking earlier today and we are formulating a plan to alleviate this problem.

The essence is that we will have overrepresented subjects on a site wide basis and on an individual member basis. More on this later this week.
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Why do you keep replying with the same copy and pasted answer. You are making yourself look a fool. They ARE THE SAME subject with very minor changes. Your site is becoming mind boggling boring and only for the dim witted . You need to stop the rot and make substantial changes to keep your honest members with you.
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If you are looking for diversity and originality then only allow 1 submission of the same scene, object, person, flower type etc etc per weekly competition.
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That would be nice Will. Also how about if a shot wins a top award and is then deleted, for example- for rediting..then it cannot be resubmitted in any form for a set period, maybe 3 months.
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That might be complicated, Terry, because it would suffice to just rename the file and the Pixoto system wouldn't detect it. It would be much more efficient to just issue a statement saying that the photographers who keep submitting the same images over and over again (lotus flowers, bridges, women with indian headdresses, pavements or tigers) will have their posting privileges suspended until they learn the lesson. That's not so hard to do, but the Pixoto powers-that-be would need to grow a pair and take the necessary steps to insure those rules are respected. Dream on...
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Not so hard really. The member cannot delete any photos in the top 5%, Pixoto have to do it. So if deletion is requested all Pixoto have to do is keep a copy of that photo and check if it is resubmitted within a set time span.
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That's true..I forgot about the impossibility to delete a pic. But still, the tog has the original file which he can rename as many times as he wants. Also, if his photo was deleted, he would loose all the awards that go with it, so it kind of defeates the purpose.
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Yes, but it does happen. I 've seen people request high scoring shots be deleted for re-editing.....And if Pixoto have a copy of the original shot its a matter of moments to check if it has been resubmitted.
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I start to comment on these special photos which are NOT very similar. If I do something wrong please official team, let me know or better close my account. It doesn't matter.
Please let me know if something will change.
One sample of my comment:
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Posting remarks on these people's images is not the way to play, Every image is here to sell. And leaving negative comments could hurt that progress. Pixoto must find they are playing by the rules. I agree with every post on this thread but this one. We are not management, and until the rules change, just keep reporting the images and then maybe pixoto might do something and remove the photos. But that is totally up to management. Remember we are all guest here whether we pay or not.
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Without us "guests" as you say, Keith, Pixoto wouldn't exist, let's not forget that. And you can wait till hell freezes over for Pixoto to do something about the cheats.
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So what are the remarks for? Only a pat on the back. If I was doing something technically wrong or could be improved on then I would want to know. If my highlights were almost blown...like within 95% and would not print or reproduce I would want to know about it especially if somebody was going to pay for my product. When the Pixoto people post a rule that says "similar" photos are not allowed and then when almost identical photos (as you agree) are posted and they do nothing that is hurting the people that have a single nice photo they have worked hours/days on and then its paused because it has been flooded out of the system by 50 shots of the same flower. These comments like others are just letting the photog know their feelings. If somebody is coming here to by stock they will key in "blue flower" not look on the "best photo" page. Then they will still see blue flowers even if they are not voted on.

If there is nothing done by the people voting then how will people ever know. I love this concept but there has to be some way to UN-game the system.

Posting 20 shots of the same flower is not asking to be voted on it is gaming the system by flooding a category with your photos of a "blue flower". This hurts the sales of other photographers with one nice picture as they are paused. What we are asking...I think by reading many of these is to have one or two of the similar photos on for selection/competition and feel free to post the rest as "stock".

But hey...like you...I'm just one opinion.
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I will be doing the same from now on. Good move, Mihai. Since there's nothing insulting or nasty about this comment, I don't see why the official team should object to it. What's sad is that THEY should be doing this.
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I have the first reply of my comment:

Nikša Šapro replied to your comment on image Untitled.
"you're a loser"
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I commented on the same pic. Just realized that there is a big shadow on the flower and blown highlights. http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
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Wow they did not post my comment. I was even constructive about the blown out highlights and the shadow over the top of the flower.
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I can see your comment Rusty
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I have to admit that this problem will not be too easy to fix and keep the site going in a way that will let the factory photogs put up their wall of "similar" pictures (simalair as for a bunch of us photographers that are not factories). But if the management and owners feel (as stated above by Jason the owner) that these two pics are not similar then you are right...we are beating our heads against the wall and this site although it could be fun is not for people that think differently about the word similar. That is unfortunate. For myself...I think most of the pics above are similar in any photogs book.

But what the management has to understand is that the last thing a quality "photographer" wants to do is play in this sandbox of factory pictures. Somehow they are ranked with their algorithm at the top???? These factory photographers are playing the system as they understand the rules and play them. So if they (owners) want quality stock and are making money off it then we will slowly fade out of here. If there is not change then it is simple...this is not the site for those of us that disagree over "similar". A bummer but that is just life.

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Please someone, wake me up when Pixoto decides to reward people for " vibrant, exciting and fun" images as Jason has requested......

Looks like I should hunker down for a long winter nap....... ;-)
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Irena...with all due respect. I just went to the leaderboard and this this is the page from the person that took the pic. Seriously you are telling me that this is not gaming the system. Even the bridge shots that are in here are of the same bridge I've seen in other pics over and over again. Wait...over and over again along with the tiger in the zoo. I've looked at some of these flowers on other peoples pages and technically they would never fly in a reproduction. Highlights a blown out and in some there are shadows right across the flower. Yes they are "pretty" flowers but they are just factory pictures that are not of quality. But if they meet your level of satisfaction and you don't mind looking at the same shot over and over again your life will be perfect. I can't imagine walking into a gallery and seeing all of these pictures on the wall. From comment above

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Rusty, I understand what you mean, and I agree with you for the cases like this. But I would like you to visit Nikša Šapro page again, and you will see that this photographer has great photos in a different categories. I am following him and I couldn't believe that you are putting him in the same basket with people like this one who have page with 300 photos, but 297 are the same.
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Irena all I'm doing is going to the leader page each time. I don't care what day I go there it's the same thing. So I went this time. I'm not picking on anybody. But this is a great one. This is in the beginning of the nightmare. This person has only been on two / three days. I got there (leaderboard) by clicking on the red flower> IT IS ONLY TURNED upside down and one with no white balance. But yet BOTH area at the top of the leader board. Is it that great of a photograph?

The flower on the left...same shot just recolored (photoshop)...the same shot!!!! The pics of her...same pic one day black and white the next color. Same shot. Look at the last pic.

I don't know about anybody else but it has gotten easy to tell if I click onto a page and it going to be a factory page. Give it a try.
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Sorry I'm done with this unless something changes. Hope it does and people can sell the product if that is what they are trying to do. It could be a great site with this "factory" photo thing fixed.

If you could just make it so that only two of the same subject or flower could be voted on but the others could be sold...that would be great.

Best of luck folks.
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Considering these are the "best" images - when it comes to photos of people, there is really not much ethnic diversity, is there, considering how many different people there are in the world.....

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