the landscape category - does ANYONE care?

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Chock full of buildings, bridges, boats, people, etc. and on and on. Any plan to deal with this?
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for them to care just post the links of the photos, seems that the report button is useless.
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The report button definitely seems useless!
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Landscape – Photos where the natural scenery is a subject. If the subject is anything other than a natural scene (e.g. a city, a building, a person, an animal, a natural or man-made object) – don’t put it here. City, building, person, animal, natural or man-made object can be object in landscape photography that adds interest to the scene, but it must cover less then 20% of photo and must not dominate the landscape:
This is a far cry from all of them.... Most of them aren't even questionable...

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Susan, I think many of the links you have posted can be considered as landscapes. For example, your third link, where would you put that pic? In "boats" or in "buildings"? You can be sure someone would always interpret it the wrong way and have it recategorized. It IS a landscape and those boats and house are part of the decor.
None of these pics would fit into a "building" or "people" or even "boat" category because the focus is on the surroundings and not on those subjects. You have to look at the photo as a whole, after all these days, it becomes very hard to find a landscape without anything "human" in it.There are far worse things on this site that deserve fixing, but this is nitpicking.
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Caitlin, I do not disagree that those may very well be landscapes, BUT Pixoto has made it clear in their rules that *they* define it differently, and have forbidden such photos in this category (you'd have to ask them why - probably for the same reason that macro photography is in the abstract category):
Their rule:

Landscape – Photos where the natural scenery is a subject. If the*subject is anything other than a natural scene* (e.g. a city, a building, a person, an animal, a natural or man-made object) – don’t put it here. City, building, person, animal, natural or man-made object can be object in landscape photography that adds interest to the scene, but it must cover less then 20% of photo and ***must not dominate the landscape***

Their rule - not mine. But since it is their rule, they should enforce it or change it, don't you think? Since so many photos in this category are indeed dominated by a man made object, they are violating the rules Pixoto set forth. And this IS actually one of the single biggest problems on this site - people blatantly violate the rules and Pixoto stands back and does nothing. The 3rd link that you mentioned specifically is clearly dominated by "man-made objects". I would think it would better fit in City, streets and parks, or buildings and architecture.
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This is going to be interesting! Quite a few award winning images there in the mix - but per definition then not in the right category ... I don't consider this to be nitpicking as those who were affected by the changes in the Flower Category would agree.
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It's always the same problem with Pixoto's definitions. There are photos that belong to neither of the proposed categoroes - or to ALL of them. And you can be sure that there will always be someone who doesn't agree with the category that you have decided to put your picture into and who will ask to have it recategorized just as you have reached a decent score. Then Pixoto will apologize and put it back where it was before and you have lost your score. How do you propose to solve that?
Just out of curiosity, where would you put a photo of a forest, with mountains in the background, a pond with a row boat in the foreground, a bridge on the horizon, a squirrel in the grass and flowers in the meadow? In animals? Landscapes? Buildings and architecture? Flowers in the wild? Transportations? See the difficulty?
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Cailin, I could not agree with your more. It is not always easy to categorize images - especially if there is no definite primary and/or secondary object - you will find yourself in a grey area. This is where I have empathy with the Pixoto Team. Although we do not always agree with their category definitions, their rules are there to guide players. As it is expected of us elsewhere to follows rules and laws to prevent chaos and anarchy, I guess it is the same for Pixoto. :-)
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Hello Susan, thank you for links. Some of them have man made objects that are less then 20% of image and can stay in Landscape category, but some do need to be recategorized. I have forwarded the list to report team to be checked and recategorized as needed.
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thank you jasenka
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BTW, for the record, I understand you are "backlogged", but I have reported many of those images days ago and yet they remain...
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A full day, Jasenka, since you said you'd forward these images, and none of those images has been removed....
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Hello Susan, I'm sorry about delay. Report team is working now on the links you have provided.
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How long does it take them to work? None of these has been moved... Still...
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Hello Susan, most have been moved to the correct category, and for some I have asked for clarification on correct category.
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Yes, I see many have been moved. Thank you for taking care of this!
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Sadly while we are all waiting for this to happen, our images get duelled against those in the wrong category and it can literally sink the images chances to get onto the leaderboard. When you see these images have been voted the best of the two in duels in 50% of the duels, it gives you little or no faith in the voting system. It's basically saying half to voters blindly vote for anything.
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That has always been the problem, Woodstock. By the time the Pixoto staff finally takes action, awards have been handed out, and otherwise deserving images have lost to those that do not belong in a particular category. Its quite unfair, IMO.
I don't have a solution to it, so long as Pixoto refuses to monitor images. At the very least, they should be monitoring those that are about to receive awards. Not only is it unfair to those who lose out on awards, but its also upsetting to those who have won awards, to then have them yanked away.
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And we hear over and over "we are backlogged" . People pay good money to join Pixoto (I most certainly will NEVER fall into that trap!) They waste money on credits that are worthless because they are pitched against the wrong images, yet Pixoto pays out to cheats time and time again.

How about they actually pay staff? Right now you pay money and still have to report images - bit like a paid intern-ship!

This is not a professionally run business by any stretch of the imagination.
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I agree. Though, as I use the free version, I suppose I shouldn't complain too much... BUT there are many folks who do pay, and probably many more who would, if only we were not also expected to do the work required to run this site, and if only it were run fairly. There are so many problems going on here, from "backlog" to rampant cheating (yes, people DO band together to vote down images, no matter how they might protest that it doesn't happen) and IMO, they also skip over images so that they do not advance. Last night, for example, I submitted an image - it was the 4th image of the night to be submitted... Within an hour, several other images were submitted, and all received more duels than my own (though mine maintained a higher score than most of them). How does the algo-rhythm account for that? How can one submit an image on Monday and have it bomb, and submit it the next day and have it score in the mid 600's? If the point is to determine relative quality, then it sure isnt working... JMHO, though....
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You're preaching to the choir as far as I'm concerned, Susan...I've been trying to address those points for some time now but I always get the standard blablabla answer by Jasenka. I AM a paying memvber, and I can assure you that it doesn't make much difference as to the "fairness" of the duels. Some of my pics haven't had a single duel since they were submitted 24 hours ago and some of my images in Illustration category lost to obvious photographs that I had reported, that noone bothered to check and remove and that have won 1st place. Pixoto needs a good kick in the ass.
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Maybe what they need is a good class action lawsuit by their paying membership...
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Jasenka - really, this is pretty outrageous... Its been two full days since I provided the list above (not to mention having reported these images individually, some as much as a week ago) and NOTHING has been done. Utterly unacceptable...
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Hi Susan, almost all are in correct category, for few I'm waiting for clarification.

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