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The World's Best Stock Images? In whose opinion? not based on the voting hopefully and what happened to Images having to be approved for stock sale, that went out of the window before I started 9 months ago.
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I am bowing out of Pixoto - I have had my images accepted to a *real* stock photography site - funnily enough, 2 out of 3 I submitted for acceptance to the other site have barely reached 550 in the image duels here...yet I have had my images approved as stock-worthy on the other site. I have sold one image here - a big whopping 25 cents......

Also - I am really uncomfortable with the apparent *ignorance is bliss* attitude regarding the promoting and selling of images of historic sites, that in actual fact need to have a letter of authorization before they are submitted. This is from Shutterstock ;
http://www.shutterstock.com/contribut...
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So have I Dawn, I submitted to Six of the World's Best and to my surprise was accepted by all of them and I have found exactly the same thing with my images that were accepted.
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If images went through an approval process a lot of problems would cease to exist.
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I believe the more high-end stock sites have a certain criteria that need to be met when submitting stock. The one I have just joined (and it's not not Shutterstock) has a couple of weeks processing time on images . The issue of selling photographs of historical sites/buildings without a release is a huge issue - Pixoto are potentially opening themselves up to all sorts of legal problems if they don't pay attention to this.
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I'm just in the process of keywording all my images before I start uploading them, I figured if I do it on the image first will save a lot of duplicate typing later.
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Also Images that are clearly marked as Editorial Use Only are being offered for sale as Canvas Prints it makes a mockery of the whole process.
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Also - *real* companies hire a decent amount of staff to run their businesses....it's really taking the p*** having essentially a community run site, and expecting the contributors to police the images submitting. It's run all a bit too much like a college kid's project..................
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I did tell them Dawn about the Property Release Images but they chose to ignore me.
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As far as my memory serves me, *ignorance is no excuse in the eyes of the law* - but hey, it's not my butt on the line...... I guess they have all the money from the PRO accounts (it still eludes me exactly what benefits you get from upgrading to Pro...apart,from a headache you pay for) to settle whatever legal issues they might have arise ;-)
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Hello Graham, I did inform management about photos that need property release.

Pixoto is not only stock site, we have started as competition site where every image is acceptable regardless of the quality. Since both aspect (stock and competition) are interlaced we do not act like pure stock sites, so we do not have quality check.
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When they first started the stock side of this site images were assessed before being accepted but now that has gone out of the window.
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Jasenka - with all due respect, informing the management is all well and good but this could have serious repercussions for Pixoto.

I understand it is completely out of your hands, but this is something that really needs addressing.
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Just thinking off the top of my head............

Idea: Pixoto institutes a pre-approval process but only for stock images. One member of the Report Team would be re-assigned to this task.

Details and effect on Pixoto members: If we want our photos to be listed as stock, we will choose that when we submit the image. Those photos will still duel but need to be pre-approved first so we will have to understand there will be a delay in seeing them appear. There will be no limit on the # of photos we can submit for stock, or if there is a limit it is a fair one. If we only want to duel, photos can be uploaded automatically without preapproval but images will be limited to one per category per day.
Photographers who submit images for stock will still be able to submit one image per category just to duel that will upload immediately. However, those images need to be different than the ones submitted for stock sales.
Images that were submitted as stock will have the Report button greyed out, as the image will have been checked beforehand and a decision made by Pixoto as to the proper category, lack of watermark, duplicate already present, etc. Photographers would be able to delete them (but to resubmit the photograph, it would have to go through the preapproval process over again) and also would be able to appeal the category that Pixoto staff chose for the image if the staff choose a different category than the photographer suggested. Report button would not be greyed out on images that are not listed for stock, since they still could be in the wrong category, have a watermark, etc.

Result: If we only want to duel, we'll be limited to one image uploaded, per category per day. If we want the possibility of sales, we'll be subject to a preapproval process. Yes, that will give an advantage in the duels to those who choose to sell their images, as they will likely have more submissions, but the site is in the business to make money so I believe that advantage is fair to the photographers who choose to sell. While this workload of preapproval for Pixoto staff will be new, there should be a big decline in reported images.

Like I said, just thinking out loud....................
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Seems to me like the Pixoto Management are out of their depth running this site.

No sale of Prints outside the US,

No chance of ever getting a payout for Stock Sales.

No Quality Control.

No Control of Property or Model Releases.

Editorial Images being sold as Canvas Prints.

A voting system that took 3 years to design and test that doesn't work.

Maybe Jason would like to come on line and give us some idea the way forward if there is one.
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Dawn and Graham. Thanks for your feedback on our stock offering.

First - we are primarily NOT a stock site - we'd like to increase this aspect of the business but currently it is just a small part of what we do. The stock service is community managed but we do have moderators that go though and identify if images should be disallowed. We certainly should not be selling anything that is copyrighted or rights managed as commercial stock. There are some images that get uploaded that we do not realize are rights manged so if you see that - please do report it.

Second - the while we certainly do have liability for selling anything that is not approved the primary liability falls back on the photographer because by uploading to Pixoto and making the photo available for stock they are affirming that they have all the rights to do so. In any case all such liability is limited to $10,000 per image purchased. Having looked at every image that has been purchased on the site I can tell you that we do not have a problem with people purchasing images that they shouldn't be.

Third - as to editorial only images being made available for purchase as canvas - this is a fairly common practice in the industry. Buy uploading images to Pixoto they photographer is representing to us that they have the rights to sell the image as a canvas print. By default we mark all images of people as editorial only unless a model release is uploaded as well. This doesn't mean the photographer doesn't have rights to sell it - just that they haven't taken the time (and the time commitment is considerable) to upload it to Pixoto).

Until our stock service takes off I would suggest not thinking about Pixoto as a great place to sell your images - but rather a great place to get feedback on your images and discover new and wonderful images from all over the world.

I hope this helps.
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Selling Editorial as Canvas may be common practise in the US but it certainly isn't here and Legal Action would be taken if it happened that's why it is clearly marked as Editorial Only. If I took a picture of a member of the Royal Family in Public I could use for Editorial, I could not sell it as prints.

How is the Stock Service going to take off when you are allowing it to be mixed with all other forms of pictures that are not Stock Worthy.

Expecting the community to Police your site is a joke. Time for Pixoto to take some of the responsibility afterall you are the only one's making any money out of it.

If I take something and give it to you to sell and it wasn't mine to give, we would both be liable to prosecution.

If this is primarily not a stock which it clearly isn't why do you advertise as having the best stock photographs in the world?

So we post our images, you sell them and keep the proceeds but in return we get a great place for feedback. You should be in control of your country's budget, brilliant.
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According to Shutterstock, the Red Arrows Display Team also falls under editorial use only, as does the London Eye and Buckingham Palace.It makes interesting reading -
Here is the list
http://www.shutterstock.com/contribut...
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This is interesting reading, thanks for sharing
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I don't think many of us even thought about this - I used to deal in copyright/intellectual property law in the US in my old life. When I joined another stock image site and read their t&c it jogged my memory as to quite what a serious issue this can be - it has made me check all my photos an reclassify some as editorial only.....
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Shutterstock are being over protective. The Red Arrows Pictures are not editorial only but can be sold as prints. However, the badge on the side of the aircraft is the Red Arrows Trademark and is therefore protected, as long as the badge is forming part of the overall picture and is not the main focus of attention there is not a problem.
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Also the Atomium in Belgium here are the images on Pixoto

https://www.pixoto.com/stock/leading?...
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And this is a HUGE no-no
Burj Khalifa
https://www.pixoto.com/images-photogr...

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