Still confused about scoring

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I am still confused by scoring. I found a photo in the same category/sub category as mine that scored much higher, though the duel history was similar. They had 6 more duels..but we won the same amount which means they actually had more losing duels...and according to what happens on my photos if you start losing duels after 100 your score goes down, so at some point their score may have been even higher. They are both "pure" photos. After a previous question I sent about scoring, I was sent a blog about scoring and it mentioned "not so great" photos being scored differently than "great" photos. One thing that I don't understand is how the photos are sorted by "great" and "not so great" at the start of the dueling process. I don't think my photo I'm referencing is my best work, but to be honest I have been putting up all different qualities of my work trying to see what works here. I thought maybe if I sent an example someone would be able to give me an clear explanation as to how these were scored, so I could have a better understanding of the process.

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra... 53 Wins 54 losses Score of 627

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra... 53 Wins...48 Losses...score of 511
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I'm not sure on this and would also like clarification, but I believe that if you win a duel against a high-ranked photo you get more points than if you win a duel against a lower-ranked photo. And if you lose a duel to a high-ranked photo it's not as bad as losing a duel to a lower-ranked photo. And if that's right -- and I'm not sure it is :-) -- then it would be the ranking of the photos as the time of the duel that would count, not their ranking at any other time. But, like I said, I could be dead wrong in thinking this..... :-)
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Thanks for your response, I was thinking something along those lines. This wasn't a photo I dueled against just one in the same category with the same subject matter with similar statistics. I can see how your theory about dueling against higher ranking photos would make sense, and I'm sure that is what is happening. I'm still confused though how the system decides which duels your photo is selected to duel against. I looked at the duel history of the higher scoring photo, and it dueled some low scoring photos...it also dueled some high scoring photos that I can't for the life of me figure out how they got high scores to begin with. Again, I don't think mine was the best photo I've ever taken, as a matter of fact it's one of the first photos I ever took....but I've seen worse being dueled against higher ranking photos. In other categories I've seen photos that are nearly identical to mine, so much so that I've had to open them to see if someone stole my work...lol. Yet theirs will have 150 or more points than mine...so I have to wonder how they are dueling completely different and higher ranked photos. Previously I thought it was due to the fact that I'm new, and those who have been here longer have had a pattern of higher scores, so anything submitted by them automatically duels higher ranked photos..but I was told that has nothing to do with it. I'm basically just thinking that my work is not up to the standards of "competition" here. Expecially since I shoot mostly landscapes, I don't shoot in HDR, and I like to keep my photos as minimally processed as possible. I'll most likely close the account when my paid month is over, and perhaps I'll come back if I ever decid to shoot in HDR.
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Your work is good. But for some reason on here you really can't compete with the SE Asian photographers they pretty much dominate. they only vote for there own areas work or what not I don't know but there is definately something?
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Honestly its pretty much a crapshoot to what type of score you will get with any given image on here. It doesn't matter how good it is unless your one of the few same people with photographer of the year awards or one who puts up the same subject over and over they somehow always get really high scores no matter what they put up even if they are competing against better images that day.

I've been testing this and you can submit the same image time after time and one time it will rise fast and then the next will sink bigtime over and over. There is no consistency to the judging. Its seeming like pro users do have a certain adavntage also beacuse even if you boost your duels constantly you don't get enough duels anymore to really compete for a daily award.
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Jason,
I did notice that about SE Asia, I just assumed it was a cultural thing. I've also noticed what you are speaking about in terms of some categories being dominated by certain "top" photographers who post essentially the same image over and over again. I mean how many times can one look at at image of a flower and say "that's amazing? Even if it is a semi-different flower, at a semi-different angle."
I think it's really set up for instant gratification whether it be in voting in duels...or gaining points. I think originality/creativity is more important to me. If I dig around here I'll find some originals..but that doesn't happen by just looking at leaderboards, there I just find the same stuff.
I've done some testing myself, and my pure photos don't score well, but if I oversaturate to the point where nothing is natural then I get "great color" comments...usually from those is SE Asia...which again leads me to think it's cultural.
Or I'll finish up 100 duels with a score of 56-44 and still not break 500. It's just too much work to try to be competitive.
Thanks for responding!
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Kimberly - You might find this post helpful http://blog.pixoto.com/2012/09/why-wi...

While the number of wins and losses are correlated to imagescore the much more important factor is what the imagescore of the images was of the image being played. I hope this helps.
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Yes I've read that before. It still baffles me as to how some photos win a lot and get higher scores, when very similar images never stand a chance. But I understand it goes to the subjective nature of the voters...and there are certain continents that without a doubt do better overall...so I imagine it's a cultural thing. I spent a lot of time this weekend going over duel histories of high scorers, and there is definitely a pattern of certain certain types of images repeatedly winning, but again, I understand that is just the nature of the dueling system. No system is perfect and I'm sure what you have in place is working as best it can.
I'm not saying that the system is unfair,or saying other work is "bad" but after spending many hours here reviewing the leaderboards, and high scorers, I realized my work isn't competitive within this system. I shoot pure, non HDR landscapes, and until HDR is is made a separate category...it's kind of futile to post.
Thanks for the response, it's very much appreciated!
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I don't think HDR could ever be a separate category, that would just be a nightmare for Pixoto. Most of what people call HDR isn't, it's just photos with a lot of image processing, to the point that in some folks eyes, it's excessive. The photographers in question could say "hey, don't report my photo, that's not HDR" and they'd actually be right.

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