Daily Awards - Vote Percentage

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Not nearly enough votes are going to the daily contests. As a result, the awards for daily and weekly contests are greatly skewed. As an example, I submitted an image on Saturday, November 9th. It won a #4 of the day award. https://www.pixoto.com/images-photography/buildings-and-architecture/bridges-and-suspended-structures/4761128977694720

Now, five days later, it has only had 38 duels. The image score is currently 648, that is 65 points higher than the image that is currently in second place for that day and a whopping 99 points higher than the image that won the first place award for that day. To compound the problem, my image is sitting at #7 for the week, but hasn't had nearly as many duels as the images that are in places 1-6. I get that those images were submitted earlier in the week, but wasn't the intent of adding extra days before giving awards so that images submitted later in the week would have the opportunity to have adequate duels before awards are given? Seriously, 38 votes in five days... fewer than 8 duels per day for a top image is ridiculous and makes the whole award system unfair. Please rethink this, Scott. I know there needs to be a balance between duels for community and Pixoto contests as well as those for daily contests. It is not balanced at all right now.
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Hi Judy,

Image scores are relative to all images, not for a specific time period so you would expect large differences between scores.

We never added any extra days to weekly awards.  We only delayed September monthly awards because they got behind due to a couple hundred thousand duels being voided out.

Contest votes were behind, but got caught up on the 27th of October.  I will run some analysis to see if contests are finishing early and if so I will allocate less votes.
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Scott, my point is it should not take a week for top images to get 50 duels. Eight duels a day will not yield reliable scores in a week.... much less so in a day. What's the point of having daily and weekly awards if they are not awarding the best images submitted for that time period? Look at any category and you will see the same things occurring. An image may win #1 of the day, but if you check that date several days later you will see that the fluctuation in results is beyond reason. To earn a daily award, it seems you must submit in the first couple of hours. To win a top weekly award, you better submit in the first two days of the week. Otherwise, your image will not earn the award that it deserves. That is not right. It never used to be this way. Top images used to rise above 600 within a day... easily, and the very best climbed above 700 in one day. That is rare now. 

Right now, only one image out of 95 submitted for Animals yesterday has an image score over 600. It will likely reach 700+ eventually, but even it only acquired 37 duels so far. Flowers had 69 images submitted. The top score so far is a mere 548. It only has 30 duels.The people category is down to only 59 submissions. Sadly, only one of those is even over 500 with 29 duels. Landscapes had 90 image submissions, but none are over 600 right now and only ten are over 500. Even looking at the "ALL categories" list, only TWO images are over 600 out of 618 submissions with daily awards less than twelve hours away. Why so few submissions and even less voting? I think part of the problem may be marketing, but many are discouraged by the lack of credibility with the daily/weekly awards due to getting so few duels allotted to those contests. 

Regardless of whether the other contests are finishing early, if you want to keep this site alive you need to keep people engaged by adding new submissions. Those daily contests are at least as important as the community contests and deserve their fair share of duels allotted to them.  That doesn't seem to be the case right now.
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Looking at the metrics behind the scenes everything (normal submissions) is slowly, but consistently speeding up every day. 

We can also look to make some proportional voting adjustments in the coming week including perhaps a small vote tax. Currently contests are a wash on the entire system.  e.g. the amount of votes they receive + credits won = total credits spent.
Adding a small tax (say 10%) would end up with a net contribution to the # of votes allocated for normal contests.

Regarding daily awards, what if we delay them a full 24 hours for the time being?
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I just tweaked a few settings for the time being until we find a more permanent solution.
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Thanks, Scott.
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Also, I'm not sure that delaying daily awards by 24 hours would be popular, but it likely would result in more accurate awards. You might try to get others feelings before making that move.
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Scott, I just voted a couple hundred times. I think only about a third of the votes went to contests. There aren't a lot of contests in the voting stage at this moment, so maybe that is part of it. Hopefully, we'll start seeing a balance between contests and daily duels. Thanks for your efforts.
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I have been monitoring and it seems like this maybe resolved based on my changes.  Contests are still getting votes just more proportionate to their award announce date.   Let me know if you think it is still an issue.   All the metrics look good for now. 
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The first problem is that there are not as many people who leave photos every day. I follow 36 photographers today, and by looking at the "My feed" page, I find only Marco Bertamé and Dennis Bartch who drop photos regularly. When I look at the leaderboard, every day I find two or three other hard-working photographers who participate.
It’s really not much.

A second phenomenon is that some participate only in contests... difficult in this case to cry wolf!!!

A third element concerns votes. It seems to me that the number of votes has gone down in favour of the ability to buy credits, which I think explains some of the mass bids that I’ve been struggling with for the last few months, and also the fact reported by "Sweetnana55" that votes are increasingly non-existent. The statistics she gives on the number of images by categories are quite explicit especially if one completes by this phenomenon of mass submission... which does not help anything.
And then I’m very surprised to see an increase in photographers registered with Pixoto, who follow us, but who never put photos... who obviously do not vote and who are there only to enrich their catalogues with favorite images... what is the point?

(Few photos filed) + (a lack of vote) + (a certain defection) = a situation that will not last forever.

And I also agree that delaying the daily awards by 24 hours will not solve anything, and may upset even more people.
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I think the credit situation you were seeing had more to do with the issue we had end of September.

https://www.pixoto.com/v3/updates/5700038073384960

Unfortunately, we had to make up for several hundred thousand votes.   This included catching up with contests which were finally caught up on 10/27. 

Behind the scenes we are starting to see an increase in submissions and we do plan on aggressively marketing once the overall migration to our v3 system is complete.
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Good news about planned marketing.
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Hello everyone,

I am following up on this.   We did make a significant change in vote allocations on 11/15.  Is everyone content with the outcome or should we continue to make additional adjustments?
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Scott, the voting has improved some for the daily submissions, helping to make them a little more valid. The duels fall off significantly after the first day. The ones from Monday still have only about 50 votes. The animal category has changed positions drastically since Monday. I have one in Buildings and Architecture from Nov. 25th that still only has 78 votes. The very top images from that category on that day only have 83 votes. So, I'd say there is still more tweaking to be done. I am so happy to hear that you plan to do some marketing soon. I really think that will help a lot to revive the site.
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I agree