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Seems like every other drawing has an identifiable signature on it. Is this allowed in the Fine Art category or should these marks be reported? For example:
http://www.pixoto.com/images-traditio...
I've seen at least a dozen in voting today that had signatures on as well.
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i think in fine art it is allowed but someone else will chime in and let you know for sure! ; )
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I remember asking about this last year, shortly after I joined -- unless the rules have changed since then, artist signatures are allowed in Traditional Art -- at least, that's what I was told :-)
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Hello After, signatures on drawings and paintings are allowed if it is part of the piece.
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What denotes part of the piece? Because not a one of them with S Davis on the bottom are a part of the image drawn. Should they be reported then?
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Hi After, can you please post link to work in question?
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http://www.pixoto.com/images-traditio...
There are many with this same signature on them
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http://www.pixoto.com/images-traditio...
Another just for illustration - they are usually at the bottom but the first one I gave you is on the top. There is no doubt who the artist is and therefore I would venture to say very much a lopsided voting bias in that category. He's quite good but it is too easy to see who the member is.
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Hi after, signature is on paper that is drawing, so it is considered to be part of piece.
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I don't get it because it is after all a "watermark" of some sort and in most cases easily recognizable -- and does take away from the objective of Pixoto in that the pieces are all anonymous. How is this fair in drawings but not allowed in photography. They are ALL art!
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And now we all know who he is so does that mean we can't vote on drawings? :)
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totally agree After Oz.. I raised the same issue the other day and got the same response... to me its still a watermark.. if I added a little sign on all my photos - so that it 'became part of the image' that would be legal yes? morally right no - but legal as it applies to illustrations. When I go into vote now - on principle I wont vote for any illustration - I skip past them all
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Another question on drawings: what if the name of the member does not match the signed name on the piece?
http://www.pixoto.com/images-traditio...
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I'm sorry After, but I see same name on drawing and in user profile.
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I swear that it was Abraham Pactal or something similar to that when I studied it. I looked at it very carefully because the names did not match. Oh well.
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This image would be the same as us putting a watermark on our images:
http://www.pixoto.com/images-traditio...
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I just wish they would remove the whole Traditional Art category -- my personal opinion is that it serves no useful purpose on this site. And maybe the *photographs* would get more duels if it was gone :-)
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100% behind you Lenore!
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IMHO, from both a photographer and artist point of view... Traditional art pieces are typically signed by the artist in the lower corners of a piece and are part of the overall piece because it is done in the same medium as the art itself. I have no problem with seeing anyone's signature on their submitted pieces since they are not going up against photos. Photos on the other hand typically do not have signatures on them when "captured", unless you are taking a specific picture of a signature which can be graffiti, script etc. A watermark is placed over top of the image and can be removed so it is not part of the image itself, therefore should not be allowed. Even when voting traditional art imageduels I do not find a signature influences my pick of a winner. I look at composition, subject matter, style, etc and vote accordingly. I do the same for photo imageduels. The grey area would be digital artwork where camera images are combined, enhanced and altered so much that they are no longer photographs, but digital artwork. Should these be allowed signatures or watermarks? my thought is no because they started out with digital images and are not true tactile mediums such as paint, pencil, charcoal etc.... and as I said, this is just my point of view. You may agree, or disagree. This post is not meant to offend anyone.
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I'm not in the category either but consider the artists that put their work up and compete with each other. The signatures of their competitors are easy to see and in this type of environment, it would seem easy for me to imagine that they would vote against that person's art no matter the quality of the opposing piece in order to get ahead. There are so many cheaters here on Pixoto, and we as a forum community along with Jasenka's quick responses, are trying to weed them out. Having said that, there is no way for us to know whether the members in that category are voting true to the nature and policy of Pixoto.
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no offence taken Roberta..

my issue with the signatures on artwork vs photographs is not whether its traditional for them to be signed, or whether photographs dont typically have signatures and are added after the fact... it lies in that they are there, and being there, on any work or medium, photograph, painting, illustration or digital means its easier to manipulate, skew or corrupt the voting.
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Most artists sign their work, and in order for a drawing or a painting to appear on Pixoto, it's going to have to be photographed or, if small enough, scanned. It bothered me on principle when I first started here that drawings and paintings were allowed signatures, while photographs are not allowed watermarks, but I quickly accepted that Traditional Art occupies such a small part of Pixoto that, in the grand scheme of things here, it wasn't a big issue.

AND I'll reiterate my belief that, if this is supposed to be a photographic and digital art site, then Traditional Art just doesn't fit in. Don't get me wrong, I love traditional and fine art and have sketched and painted for a long time, myself. I just think Pixoto spreads itself too thin trying to be all things to all people..

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