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Hard to compete with pictures that are Photoshop. Most of the top 25 pictures are played with.
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You're not competing, you upload for the chance to see if people prefer an image you produced. Great if you do win! If you are qualified enough to take non manipulated images, via photographic technique alone, brilliant! It shouldn't stop you uploading and seeing if unbiased opinion goes in your favour. It's the subject, the emotion your image creates, for the individual choosing in a dual, humour, beauty, concept, individuality. I may well and have chosen a non manipulated image over a beautiful manipulated image, because of the content alone. Have you uploaded any images?
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Photoshop artists are allowed in here, don't forget... so please, don't discriminate, it is, at least, unpolite. .
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You are right, Photoshop users are allowed here and I applaud their creativity and patience for using such a high learning curve program. However, plagiarists are not allowed nor welcome on any site, photography or otherwise. I looked at the images posted by Carlos Castro and they are clearly ones that have been plagiarized. I don't know about the rest of the community but I'm not real comfortable knowing there is someone on this site that has committed this offense. My hope is, this will be dealt with accordingly.

Wayne Clark
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Public domain and royalty free pictures are allowed to be downloaded and manipulated. If you don't know what is public domain and royalty free stock, get yourself informed. I manipulate pictures, as an art, if you can't deal with that, it's your problem. I'm not the only one who uses stock pictures, I also use my own, but not always. You people love to gossip, specially that Carlos Castro, you make me laugh.
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By the way, this is for SARA, you may don't mind to give way your work to this website to use your beautiful work as stock, and sell it later. Being a photo manipulator, of course I can be just as good using a raw camera or even better. I just refuse and don't need to give away my photos to anyone to own it later, or to try to get any money award and loose my best work forever. I do have a porifolio for commercial purpose only, like the pictures I post here, however my best artwork, I showcase elsewhere, and I sell it.
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This is a photography site... professional photographers manipulate their images. This was done even before Photoshop, it was just done in the darkroom. Get used to it. If you don't want to "compete" against manipulated images, find a site for purists.
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Thanks Kara, indeed.
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Manipulation of an image is something as simple as raising the saturation, exposure or removing a face blemish in post editing. We all manipulate images in one way or another.
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For the ones who are desparate for the prizes here, chill out, I'm not here for the money, I'm here to manipulate pictures and show my work. If you think I'm not a good manipulator, that's your opinion, most I can do, is to get better.
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To Clark, photo manipulation is more than that, you know it. Photoshop is not an easy software to learn, Microsoft pays $200/hr for an Adobe Photoshop Certified. You are just degrading my profession, because you don't have the professional attitude to deal with someone who can make your raw pictures look much better than they are. what I do with photos, it can be way more complex than just 'raising the saturation, exposure or removing a face blemish in post editing'. This only shows your complete ignorance on how important photo manipulation is, and for your information, it's art.
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any manipulation of someone elses shots is against copyright laws. You can not take someone elses shot and make it your own in photoshop, ANYONE who does that will see a court room sooner or later.
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We believe that image editing and enhancement is part of the photographic process. Kara is right of course, that this has been a part of photography from the very beginning (think dodging and burning). If working with an image can make an image more appealing and attractive then those are the images that we want to look at.

Where we draw the line, and I'm sure there will be some disagreement on this, is when images with two different subjects are blended together. For those types of images we ask that they be placed in the Photoshop Art category (or in commercial if they fit that designation). Multiple exposures of the same subject (like HDR) can be in any category.
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i really agree with Cris, beside i addedd few manipulated images just to show to thse "manipulators" how it is easy to do that..but reall photography is really better without hard manipulation as some do here...to add more cotrast, saturation is kinda good..but all these hardly rose clouds which do not exist NO where only in that sort of pics or all that smiling modells with blured faces in some people make effect which is easy to explain as stomach problem..did you ever hear fo r the term "KITCHE" german originaly means "BAD art" art which aint art at all but which is good for comericial things..som etimes....check how nice are photography which are not hard manipulated and than say to the Cris how he is in right..previously i refuse to manipulate my photography works but as I said they are example how it is CHILDISH job actually....my deep regards bttw
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Have to agree that there is voting behind some of the kitschier retouched images....animals with halos and glowing eyes, for example. Neither right nor wrong....there's an element of the print shop in a tourist town---we can see what sells in some contexts....but there's also the opposite that wins as well.
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and this is link with pic which aint in fine art nd is done from 2 or 3 different images...so, here some one lie and i will not add any more my works, until you start to be honest.
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
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This is a perfect example of an image that has been miscategorized. We'll move it.
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one more perfect
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Thanks. We'll move that one too.
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what can we say to this theme? I understand Chris but as Kasa says, we manipulated pics before the digital photography came up. I did it before and I still use my analog camera with film (which I still love, especially for black and white). But I must say digital is also great and photoshop (or any other processing sofware) allows to create many things we couldn't do before. Be creativ, art is art. I understand that photoshop can give you big headache at the beginning but you will appreciate it when you train a little bit. And after I while you will love it. By the way Kitch is also a form of art. Some like it and some don't. Try to see the beauty in everything.
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I totally agree with Michelle Meenawong on that, the BEAUTY should be evaluated here, and the beautiful artworks shouldn't be left over because some photographers limited themselves to raw images, which is fine... but please, don't degrade the photographers who knows how to enhance or manipulate images, and created beautiful things, it's wrong. I have been working with famous photographers, editing models photos, so my work is important, do not underestimate what we do.
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is really much perfect ones...
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
as AUTODESK licenced person i can see them from distance...
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how perceptive
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okay now I understand waht you mean and agree with this. it's not a photo it's really an image 100% made with photoshop. There are sites for all kind of images from photo to painting etc. This image is more for something like this. I don't say it's not good but, you're right it is not made with a camera.
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All the elements I used where from original pictures taken with a camera. I have the original photos which I used to compose that manipulation, available to show upon your request, anytime you want. I'm taking your false critic as a compliment. After all, my objective is make the absurd looks real, most of them, as real as possible, orthers I want to look like fantasy. Honey, I'm a photographer too, but I love to manipulate, this is my art, and I love what I do.
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We need a button to report images... there are way too many photoshop creations now, and they are competing against legit images (they lose)
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You are right about that, but the subcategories under Photoshop are very limitated. I'm new here, and it's true I posted and over posted in some categories, but I'm still learning, and getting better... Discrimination is ignorance, shame on you... You stating that we lose competing with raw cameras... If you work is really GOOD, you shouldn't feel intimidated on competing with anyone. What is good is good, KEEP THAT IN MIND. There is no such a thing that impressionists are better than surrealists, and so on... Learn how to accept art without prejudice.
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it is made with camera but as 3 different images probably..she isolated the head from one photography and with simple tool as i move she puts that in second photography...is very easy to do that...its real photoshop manipulation and belong to photohop art chategory..also i can not say is exist photoshop art as specific subcategory..in fine art they put such work in digital art...recent photography pass development which is hard to follow because many traditional artist as are painters and designers start to use photohop and other sort of digital manipulations in their work..some are fine in that some not..but due fact that we fight here for rating is good to notice to CEOs what is problem in some duels.....
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Only an expert photographer of your caliber could figure out my simple manipulations on the mask image I posted. Thanks for the critic, much appreciated.
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Way too many composite images in categories not dedicated to the specific art. That I believe is the argument. Everybody has to post process their images, this has always been true. Ancel Adams spent half his time in the dark room. But when one image is superimposed onto another, this is a really big drag, especially since there is a category for this. Maybe some people just don't take the time to read the rules....
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You are right JoLynn, I actually read, however, I used other categories just to show my work. I was innicially trying to find out what kind of site is this, and I was surprised the Photoshop category is so limitated. If the photographers don't get along with the photoshopers and photoshopers-photographer (like me), the Photoshop category should be eliminated, and have this site just for the photographers, and no other artists should be allowed then. Better that way than work so much time in the images and voting, at the same time, being cowardly discriminated.
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I may be many things but I am not a coward. I think you do beautiful work, but it belongs in the Photoshop catagory. Sorry if you feel so defensive.....
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I'm not offended, and I agree with you I should be under Photoshop Art category, but with all the subcategories options. I feel very limited in here, it should be a equal place to all, or the Photoshop Art should be eliminated, rather than be degrade or discriminate. I'm not attacking you or anyone, but I do insist and standup for myself and other photoshopers, and I will, each time a raw camera photographer acts like they take advantage of a obvious favoritism here. I also don't like to be misjudged, I manipulate my work with real photos, eventhough I also love digital art, and sometimes I create 3D artwork. Don't take it personal, I'm glad you brought that up. I didn't mean being cowardly discriminate by you, I said that in general. I didn't know would be so much harassment for posting images on categories other than under Photoshop, which has just a few subcategories to post, and it duels a lot less than other categories.
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Okay so I think many of the Photoshop artists do beautiful work. Why was only E. Giupponi's images marked for removal? There are so many in all the landscape and fine art categories. And I am talking about composite images, not just a little image enhancement. I agree it should be equal or eliminated.
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My landscaping is photography manipulated, therefore, it belongs to the FINE ART CATEGORY.
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Dear E. Giuoponi:

You state that the photographs you use are yours, i.e., you took the pics (" I have the original photos which I used to compose that manipulation, available to show upon your request, anytime you want"). I can google some of your images and they are copyrighted images (royalty free).

That's plagiarism, ma'am.

Show some respect for other people's ideas. God has blessed you with a wonderful talent, well, use it under the right category. Dominate the PS art category, become the master of that sole category, but do not invade the entire pixoto site with images that ARE NOT yours. You probably do not even have a camera or know how to use it.

Do you want me to PROVE to you that you're plagiarizing other people's work?

Here's your emerald boa:

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

and this is the original:

http://stockazoo.com/wp-content/uploa...

This is your super photo of a snake with its mouth wide open:

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

and this is the one you surely took, right?

http://wallpaper.imcphoto.net/animals...

Can you spell P-L-A-G-I-A-R-I-S-M?

I never attacked you in the first place, babe, but you said "Discrimination is ignorance, shame on you". Well, SHAME ON YOU who are just a thief stealing other people's ideas and photographs (puke!)

Carlos
I proudly OWN every single image I post here, crappy or not.
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More about Giupponi

Cahim killed Abel, Judas betrayed Jesus, Nero killed Caesare, and so on... Envy is the incompetent's weapon. The competent and confident ones, appreciate and perceive what is art, rather than degrade it. I said that.

Source: http://www.pixoto.com/giupponi#_=_
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I agree and I believe that art is art and if you are taking credit for art that is not your own you are stealing.
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Good catch Carlos!
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I'm not stealing what is PUBLIC DOMAIN. Watch out for the words, Castro and Wayne, Michelle... I'm impressed on how far do you go with your ignorance on this subject, and how greed you become in attack someone, when you don't even know we are allowed to use PUBLIC-DOMAIN and PHOTO-STOCK to create an photo manipulation artwork. Get yourselves informed before conspire, and watch out for diffamation as well. For your information, I do have a camera, and I'm better photographer than you will ever be, anyone who can manipulate photos like me, can take at least, beautiful raw photos too, obviously. Using your own low words, I can take any of your 'crap' pictures, as you said, edit, and make ART our of it, and an award winner, here or anywhere, in any category. By the way, Carlos, don't call me 'babe', you are not my type.
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I can google every one of "your" images. Pixoto team, aren't we supposed to OWN the images we upload here?
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sure we MUST own the uploaded pics
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E. Giupponi

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Public domain and royalty free are for everybody, Once I manipulate those stock pictures, they become mine, and when I upload here, it becomes Pixoto's. That's how it is... So, get over it!
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You all need to read the laws of photo copyright and how long someone owns their photos. Public domain does not preclude ownership. Carlos...your links won't open to show your "evidence". Understand that the laws have had trouble keeping up with the digital world, but even Walmart (because they got sued) questioned a photo I took of a friend who wanted to get copies made. They would not allow friend to get copies because they said it looked like "a professional took it." I had to give friend a letter "releasing rights to copy." Whether you pay the money to copyright or not...THE LAW SAYS OWNERSHIP STAYS WITH PERSON WHO TOOK PICTURE. I am not a lawyer, but semi-pro and have studied the laws. Public Domain is to view....not take and make your own, especially where money is involved. Has no one heard of "model release" and "property release" forms? E. Giupponi MUST get your permission to use your photo, whether manipulating or not. Public Domain does not give you permission to use for your own benefit and present as yours. You are required to give credit for the original (at the very least) to the person who took it and you should have gotten a release/permission to use from "owner" of rights to photo. Carlos has the right to pursue copyright infringement against you and this website should be more diligent against this type of use. I was going to submit photos, but will not now.
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Cathy. We are incredibly protective of copyright. If we find that someone has used even a part of any image that is was taken by somebody else they are banned from Pixoto for life.
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wow..!!!! you're right Carlos, this is not fair. And I think I just voted for the open mouth snake
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It just took for me to be away from this gossip, and you people started all over again. Move on, you guys are better than this, at least some must be... Live and let people live.
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Michelle, you are so ridiculous wrong, get yourself informed about photo stock and public domain photos, before taking sides. Only cheap photographers fight and conspire against others, gossipping, and talking about what they don't even have a clue. Saddly, you are one of them, which makes me portrait you as frustrated and unsucessful in your profession. You are not going anywhere with your beautifuly done work, because your attitude holds you back. You posted your opinion about me, this is my opinion about you. By the way, you have been using photo-stock pictures, I saw them. Like I said, is nothing wrong is you buy or use photo-stock or public domain photos to create, but it's wrong to be such an HIPOCRATE! Give me a break...
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Elisabete, are You frustated?? I didn't attack you and even said you have talent!!! I respect your job. I'm learning photoshop and know how long you have to spend on a pic to make it really good. I didn't said one word about stock photos and public domain. And please tell me which of my photos are stock photos. It will be very interesting because I never used stock photos in my life. Not one. You use stock photos for your job, that's okay and that's why they are made and given for sell. When I say we must own the pics this is relative to pixoto. I don't see any rules which say we can use them for pixoto. And review what I posted 21 days agao. I have absolutely nothing about manipulating photos. I like beauty in every form of art. Doesn't matter how you achieve it if it's beautiful and creative.
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Here, I just cut and past your comment, you posted ytday,

'wow..!!!! you're right Carlos, this is not fair. And I think I just voted for the open mouth snake'.

About the stock photos you use, Carlos can find out for you, that is his expertise, better than photography, lol, I don't have the time he has to spend trying to take people down. He must have spend days to find out something I have nothing to hide, He could have just forward this matter to Jason, who could contact me about it. But it looks like people here likes to stick with such low attitude.
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I posted same pictures in different categories, it's true. About different names on the same pictures, it was because at the time I was uploading, I couldn't recal the same titles. Some pictures I even forgot I posted and posted again, I was disorganized on that, this is a common beginners mistake. About winning any award here, I notice, it's annoying to see same pictures posted, so I deleted most, and I have no problem to delete the remaining duplicates, big deal. I didn't do this to give me more chances to win anything, I don't need that to win, nor I need to be part of any favoritism. Besides, the remaining duplicates left, are just sitting there, right, they are not competing anymore.
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I just watched your pictures and I must say you are really creative. But I aklso noticed that you have some pics uploaded twice with just another title. Just imagine if somebody posts ONE picture with 3 different names and in different categories, how many more chances do you have to win an award??? You are good but think about others who maybe also wish to win awards???
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Michelle, I read the policy before I uploaded my pictures, and it says that we are allowed to upload as many as we want. I uploaded same pictures in different categories. I'm getting tired of all this non-sense, I'm not coming back to this feedback again... I like to be among people with professional attitude, most of you are amateur attitude alike. SO LONG PALS, I have a lot pictures to manipulated and blow your minds away (lol), and you guys can keep on conspiring against me and the other photoshop artists, since it looks like you all got nothing better to do than be here all the time.
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My company is contracted by top notch model photographers, the ones who work hard, who can afford to hire photo manipulators, and photo editors like myself. So, I work on their model raw photos, and edit them, to be printed out there in magazines, commercials, etc, and sell products. By stating you don't even know about how important my work is, it just show how limited some of you really are, unfortunately. Obviously, some of you will never know how busy those top notch photographers are, because just sitting behind your computers, most of the time, gossipping, diffaming, and attacking other people's work, will only hold you behind others. Being here and fight because of awards and money, won't take you anywhere, or make you winners by taking people down. A winner is a winner, with or without money or rewards, because those are rewarded everyday.
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E. Giupponi

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By the way, this is for Jason, what is up to the song (the one from Tears For Fears) that plays when this site is down??? I mean I like the song, but when this site is down, and it plays something like that, it sounds very ironic and innapropriate, I think, I didn't like it.
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I think if you are posting work that is not your own, you should be disqualified. That is really low to take someone else's work and post it as your own. There are those of us here that work really hard and want to showcase our work and it is insulting that there are those that want to move in the gray areas just to win. I am here to win yes, but I also am here to get feedback from my peers. If you are getting prizes and feedback from work that is not your own, how can you even feel good about it. Disqualification would be the key. So if you see something that is not the photographers work and can prove it..report it.
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Thank you all for your feedback. It is our policy that all images uploaded (including any image component for the Photoshop Art category) must be taken by, and owned by, the submitting player. It looks like there may be some cases here where photographers may have submitted some work that is not theirs. We are investigating and will take appropriate action.
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Yes I think you have a point.
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First of all, my disqualification won't make you a winner. Furthermore, I don't depend on websites like this to support myself. I'm here to showcase my photo manipulations, which I do artistically, most of them, lol. For my surprise, I didn't know I would make some raw camera photographers shake on their basis. Am I taking the food from your mouth?? I don't think so. I take all this non-sense conspiracy, as an incentive to work harder, and showcase in more physical art galleries, rather than the virtual ones. It looks like you don't know, but the pictures you post here, will also become stock pictures, and photo manipulaters will buy or use them freely, if they become public-domains. Blind is the one who doesn't want to see... I knew that, by uploading my artwork here, it would be Pixoto's website property, and I have no problem with that. The second reason is because I use this site as a portifolio, another media to promote my company. This is a nice webisite, still in Beta, but they are improving it, so, it's nice to have a website like this for more exposure. But I don't come here because I'm desperate for the money, sorry if you are.
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JoLynn Dillion

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I don't think you understand that I am supporting you. Not this website.
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E. Giupponi

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I didn't post the other replies to you JoLynn, I think you are smart and well-informed, thanks for being with what is right. The replies are for those ignorant, prejudicial, low life diffamers, who are taking their frustrations on me and the other photoshopers.
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Whatever you upload to Pixoto is your IP, not Pixoto's. Pixoto will probably become a stock photo site, but right now it isn't. Giuponi: just upload your beautiful PS compositions to the right category and NO ONE will ever complain.
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The problem here is that you people are desperate to get some money from here... I compete to show my work, I could careless for the money prize, Too bad, fighting for so little, shame on you all, go get a real job them, and leave others alone. My purpose here is not wasting time among ignorant and unprofessional people on this negative feedback site. I'm with Pixoto's to showcase my artwork, and to teach some of you about PHOTO MANIPULATION, and how it works, specially regarding the stock photos we use to create, or to edit raw photography.
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Giupponi: showcase your artwork in the PS ART category, that's all we ask for. You are absolutely oblivious of this site's rules. In PS ART, we will ALL appreciate your artwork. We're NOT complaining about your abilities with a given software, we just want you to upload your creations to the right category, and USE your OWN images. Rules are rules, honey.
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By the way, I'm a CATHOLIC APOSTOLIC ROMANIC, discriminate me on that too (lol), I could careless about your jealousy, it just make me feel how good I am with my work, and somewhat, I thank you all for that.

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I think this is art. I think a lot of the photos in the nude category are just dressed up pornography.

Good for you E.
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E. Giupponi

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Thanks JoLynn, it's symbolizes women suffering and pain, thanks for perceiving it.
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Wow. You guys have had quite an interesting Sunday. While I was enjoying time with my family apparently WWIII was breaking out. ;)

I want to address a few issues brought up above, but first I want to say BE NICE PEOPLE! I hate to delete posts from a public forum but I also don't want our community to be a place where insults and name calling is allowed. So please just be cordial to each other so that we can maintain Pixoto as a fun place to be.

As to the issue of manipulation of stock photography - it is of course - perfectly legal and legitimate to take stock or public domain images and manipulate them - but we do not allow that here. On Pixoto you must own the component images used to make your art, and if an image is a combination of two or more images of different subjects it must be placed in the Photoshop Art category. This is not a site for "photoshop experts" instead we are focused on original photography created by the artist themselves.

Also, we are not "photo purists". We believe that post processing of the image is a critical and inseparable part of photography and always has been. As such we encourage photographers to take whatever steps they believe will make their photos most appealing to eyes of the visitors.

Lastly. WE DO NOT OWN YOUR PHOTOS. We don't have rights to do anything with them except display them through our web application. When and if we launch a stock photography component to Pixoto it will be strictly opt-in on an image-by-image basis.

Thanks for caring so much!

Jason

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