Ranking of photographers

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for now the ranking is based on the points. but what if the ranking will be based on the number of high ranking images?

I feel annoyed that the two top ranked togs in one category haven't even won any top 1 image. They even have a handful of images on the top 10 weekly. They submit massive images every week (not including resubmitting their images WEEKLY). . But counting how many they have submitted they can become the top players with those top10% and top 20%. So I tried submitting massive images in one category too, but no matter how I try to join or be like them them I still can't beat them because they submit twice or thrice as much number of images I submit.
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M a r i k o

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... I was just about to write the same thing... :-)
The actual #1 player in Mobile Photos category has won only ONE #1 daily award. He has a top ranking in the leader board just because he submits sufficient photos in average quality, sometimes more than 20 photos a day.
So it's about quantity not about quality at Pixoto.
The leader board should show the players with the best average scores.
Otherwise you can't take the leader board seriously...
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but then again this site is not for serious photography everything is plainly a game of luck. and if we haven't noticed, we are not called photographers here in pixoto but PLAYERS. However not all of us, including my self, are egoistic players.
I tried to play ("if you can't beat them then join them" isn't true in all sense)
I got tired of playing with them.
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Sorry for your frustration Jay. We also want to improve the player leaderboard. The first step in these improvements were filtering by date. While this helps, we are looking at other ways to make it better. Thanks for the suggestion, we'll consider it.
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I agree that it would be good if the way ranking is displayed were adjusted. Right now the system promotes quantity over quality.

It appears that many of the "top photographers" on the site have gotten there through a massive amount of submissions (including numerous duplicate submissions, presumably before the rule was in place to prevent it). These people have amassed such a huge number of points that they'll likely never be unseated by someone who submits a couple quality images a week at most.

Another idea might be resetting points every month or so. For people who like big numbers a "lifetime points" figure could still be displayed in their profile, but not used as ranking.

It's discouraging for new members of the site to see a leader board they'll never be able to get on.
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not to brag about it but in one category I have 17 no.1s for the week, four no1s for the month, and three of my images are on the top 5 images of all time. of course it's frustrating to be overtaken by others who didn't even win top 1 in a single week- just because they submit a hundred photos in that category.

Before my personal limit was just around 10 in a week. Then I tried submitting 20 images when submissions in that category began to increase but it's hard to monitor the photos I submit. and out of my disgust I submitted around 70 images in one category last week and 5 of them are currently in the top 10 but still I feel annoyed because this is not the game I want to play but I'm forced to do it and to hopefully annoy other togs too - seeing 5 of my images in the top 10. and also waiting for other people to complain and report my images.
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We have a major enhancement to the points allocation system that should help to address your concerns. It will put a much heavier weight on Top 10 entries and much less weight on quantity in the lower brackets. It won't have an impact on historical rankings but we should have much better weekly rankings right away and monthly about 30 days after that and within a couple month the 2012 rankings will be very dependent on the new points structure. This will be launched simultaneously with the new categories on Sunday.
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Please be aware that Mobile category picture's had raked a huge number of points as there were huge submissions through Instagram. So the adjustments should be such that it does not affect other users. There should be a work around which makes the better photographer up in the leaderboard, not because he/she has submitted in such and such category which has made him/her the lead player. Eg: The Commercial and Journalism category usually gets very less points compared to Mobile Category, Landscape and Nature. Thanks!
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This should be interesting...
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pacquiao

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It's interesting. looking forward for the changes
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Well speaking as one who is towards the top of the leaderboard (at the moment !) and yes through quantity a quantity of good images I await the changes to see what else happens ?

Just remember in wildlife there are thousands of images and yes i get a large quantity of 5,10 & 20% awards but they beat a lot to get where they are,!

Do you really think by me submitting less images it will improve the chances of lower ranked players to win, all it will do is meen less images in the category, which will leave a lower payout for the one person who dose win the 1st place and as thats pretty low now who gains, not you nor me ! it will be the same Profesionals who are at the top now ! who we all aspire to be as good as !

Everyone is trying to "level the playing field" well you cant level a field that has a wide range of abilities ? in a football match you dont cripple the striker because he is better than the sub do you.!!!

Just my opinion
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I don't think it's really about "leveling the playing field" as much as it is about defining a decent playing field to begin with.

I really question whether the top ranked photos are actually the "best" and worthy of aspiring towards, or if they simply have the broadest appeal, making them the most kitschy. I'm not saying they're bad photos, but in the spectrum I think they probably tend more towards the mediocre, because that's generally what you get when something's put to a popular vote.

For example, the terribly written erotic fiction book Fifty Shades of Grey has sold phenomenally well ... but I wouldn't exactly classify it as "quality literature" (even calling it "literature" is a stretch). However, if you were to judge it solely by the numbers, it's one of the "best" books in recent history. The way the current ranking system is set up, it awards quantity and mass-marketability over quality.

Looking through your gallery I see many extremely similar images. Wouldn't a system that required you to only submit your best shot of a certain subject (or even just the best 2 or 3 shots) be better than one that requires you to submit 20+ nearly identical looking shots of the same thing? I've noticed a lot of users employing this "shotgun blast" approach to submissions, because it seems to guarantee a higher success rate than simply submitting their best work.

I'm definitely looking forward to this new ranking system to see if it encourages a more thoughtful submission process.
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I think ralph you don't submit massive images weekly in your portfolio and I don't think this topic should hit you. I'm talking about people who submit more than 20 images a day in one category alone. not counting how often these images were already awarded and resubmitted week after week after week.
When I started here on pixoto last year, August, there we're a lot of quality images I adored but now it's more of quantity winning against quality - sounds odd isn't it?
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I always thought that when you did a resubmit you lost all the awards and points associated with that picture so I am not sure why someone would want to keep resubmitting a photo once it has it's awards.
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Yes , once you resubmit a picture you lose all your awards and points.
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Brandon Rechten

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From what I've seen, the people who're looking to rack up the most awards don't "resubmit" images through the system, but instead, if a certain image has done well they'll upload extremely similar images in hopes that they'll also rack up awards. It's a game and that seems to be the strategy to "win."
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yes, once a photo is resubmitted they loose all the awards and points. I was a victim of deleting my images which I judged as very similar and in turn I saw more very similar images submitted and haven't been removed after I reported them. Therefore they are just fine.
regarding the photos being resubmitted weekly - they are not new photos actually they are the same photos the tog submitted the previous weeks. again previous weeks.
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If Pixoto are going to run as a competition you have to expect people to try to win !
and there will need to be peramiters set as to how that is done but its the votes that decide who wins not the submissions, if you dont like it dont vote for it !.

As to me this new rule has already knocked me off my spot and to be honest i cant be bothered to try and get back so it has already affected me ! today is the first day baring holidays that i havnt even submitted an image since i joined last year i will probably put some more in at some point but not to regain the top spot that is no longer possible i think.?

Good luck to all who want to but i assure you the same people will win as are now because these are the ones who will sell when the stock comes in, all this will make no real difference in the long run.

Just a passing thought, Jason has said in another thread that they have been awarding too many points to 10 & 20% places and they want to concentrate on top 10 places ! well in wildlife the average entries a week is somewhere in the region of 2000 entries that means there new target selection will be the top HALF A PERCENT, who will that be ?

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