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Have you ever thought of giving discounts on the pro membership to members who vote using some artistic thought to the process? I've seen too many great photos lose in duels to obviously bad photographs. It seems that having a large number of qualified voters would benefit Pixoto as well as the photographers on this site by elevating more truly great photographs to the top.
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Thank you for suggestion SParso.
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If one can only understand the way Pixoto members vote. If they truly vote for the better image in duels, surely there would be more consistency in an image's duel results.
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Thanks for the reply, Rudi.

I'm sure you vote that way and so do most members but there are too many who simply vote as quickly as they can to gain points. I would really like to see Pixoto prequalify voters in some way and then monitor those voters.

I understand that Pixoto monitors voters who vote too quickly but that doesn't appear to be enough. If bad voters show up in the beginning rounds, then your image will never go anywhere. As the vote count climbs, it appears that the image has less and less of a chance to break into a higher image score even if the wins vs. loss numbers gain greatly at the higher number of image duels.

So my answer to the problem is to prequalify voters and monitor them. Quality voting will make this a much better site.
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And it is not funny to participate the Contests. Moderarors sets the rules and then they dont follow them,allows photos not qualified to the Contest fin.
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Hi,

Sorry I don't agree....How do you prequalify voters and monitor them, before letting them loose on the duels?? You may see a "Great Photo" differently from me..

I vote a couple of hundred photos at a time, and I really do take time deciding which photo is best, what gets to me is, the same photo that has been taken at different angles 5 or 6 times and put into these duels..That is really not fair to other photographers who photos are in these duels...

I think the pausing of photos is all wrong.. Pausing is supposed to sort out the wheat from the chaff..If the photo is "Good Enough" it should not need any help by pausing other peoples photos, if it is "Good Enough" it should get the votes on an equal fair and square basis.....
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Len,

Thanks for your input. It's people like you who take the time to vote properly that make this a great site.

I also take enough time to truly pick what I feel is the best photograph. Maybe some artful education in the form of a video to give voters some idea what to look for. You know, things like focus, leading lines, composition, light etc... Then maybe a short "test voting session" to see if the new member knows the difference between a terrifically composed photograph and a cell phone snap shot of Aunt Martha's out of focus cat. I can't tell you how many times I've seen really good photos beaten out by really bad voting.

I agree with you on the pausing. I have several photos which were paused after 5 or 6 votes. And yes, some of those votes were bad votes by people who were just clicking to gain points. I've have resubmitted photos many times to hopefully get better voting. Sometimes that works. I have some photos that were originally paused that now range in the 600's.

This is supposed to be a site where a photographer can learn more about his or her photography. I wish Pixoto would do some educating.
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Good voter or bad voter, they just need more voters,
It has taken 71 hours to get 91 duels on an image that has a dual spread of 16.
A lot of dual allocation is based on geological location. I have seen images from certain area's get dueled fast while other area get duel's slowly and then are throttled, to a score range.
They need to do away with points for comments!!!! And quit selling points.
If you HAD to vote to get points there would be more voting done, but if there is a way around it they will use it.
But then they would loose a lot of there proffered posters!
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Like you, I have an image that has been stagnant since uploading, I really thought it would do better, it has been paused a lot... Also over the past few days, and as this site will verify, that I have voted fairly on way over 2500 photos, a few hours work here, don't get me wrong, I love seeing and voting on other peoples photos, however I feel that I am not getting my fair share of the duels back.....Sometimes, I really feel like packing it all in, but then I would miss these wonderful photos...I will cut back on my voting if I don't get more duels, it's just not worth the time and a lot of effort that I put in ..
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We are not going to renew our pro accounts when they expire, I have noted that a lot of people that consistently get high scores, do not have pro accounts and seem to get all the duels. And they are, a lot of them business and just buy there points. Beside in there own words, (we determine where a picture will go and let the duels get it there). so it is predetermined, that's why you will consistently be in a score range that has been predetermined, mine is 550-600.
Once in a while if will get above that but not often. had one I deleted went to 680 and with in 15 min it had been dueled down to 560, just by dueling it against the same high score picture as many as 17 times in a row. This indicated Computer voting.
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Thanks for the comments, Marvin. Hopefully, Pixoto is listening.
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Just be a "Moderator" so you don't have to vote. You get the credits and you're not contributing to other members' score.
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How would being a "Moderator" help?.Would it guarantee more duels for us.??? It's not about the credits ...it's about fairness and these duels are not fair...
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Thank you all for suggestions.
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You are welcome Jasenka, we just don't realistically expect any changes to be made. It works for the Professional Photographers!
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We all know who they are just look at there submissions, no title , no description and no tags, but still shoot right to the top.
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three Examples: Dennis bartsch, John Larson, Mazoy Husada
There submissions have no title, no description and tags but still move right up to the top. They NEED A category JUST for ZOO Photos, you will never convince me that most of there photos are not taken in a ZOO.
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I have just put a photo of a Robin up, I clicked and went straight to add to the Duels..and there was a lost duel already waiting..NO WAY did anyone have time to get a duel for this photo..This is computer generated..NOT HAPPY if computers are used in this way....
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Marvin, as I explained in your other topic, when subcategories are changed, score, points and awards will remain, only when category changes they'll reset to zero.

Please check whole reply here: http://community.pixoto.com/pixoto/to...
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And like I said then, What ever!
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Thank you for that Jasenka..But can there be some more categories in the animal section, as I said a duel between a Cheetah and a dragon fly is no contest..I always vote fair and of course the Cheetah won.. Nevertheless an unfair duel..
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Len, do you mean to make more subcategories under Animal category?
All images within one category can duel each other regardless of subcategory, so even if we make more subcategories, images can still duel each other (providing they are in same category, of course).
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Hi Jasenka, what I was trying to say is..It seems a tad unfair that a duel as stated above between a Cheetah and a dragonfly is no contest, the Cheetah will win everytime... Can there be separate duels for insects and animals/ big cats etc..
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Taking photos in the zoo actually poses a different set of challenges. You most often have to shoot through glass, fences and enclosures. During busy days, you have to fight the crowd, school children on tours, and excited kids. The background may show cheesy and obviously fake rocks and plants. And animals may look sad and forlorn.

While I prefer to shoot(photographically) animals in their natural habitat, a trip to the zoo can challenge and even hone your photography.
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When I say Zoo animals, I am not talking about photographing them in a zoo setting, Like you said that can be a challenge. Some of picture are taken of zoo animal (Tame) in a controlled/ studio setting. They are just to perfect. Real animal picture ,even in a zoo setting are not likely to be so perfect.
Did you understand that?
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Well then, you can post those said images that went under the umbrella of your suspicion so the community can scrutinize them.
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Dennis Bartsch, just go through this One persons picture and tell me they have all been shot in a ZOO environment. Not that i ever expect any thing to change on Here, They are making money, At this point I don't give a C--p any more. Nothing will ever change, This site is ran BY PROFESSIONALS FOR PROFESSIONALS. The only reason I still submit is to make them waist duels. I have been assigned score range from 550-600, it used to be 600-650 till i made a comment, about how things were ran. Are my pictures all that good no they are not, but for every picture to hit the same point almost to the point at the same time and I have not had an image that has not taken days to get 100 duels no mater what the + to - spread is. I posted one the other day that before I could refresh the page had 13 - duels, So I just delete them and wait a few days and waist some more duels.
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I see what you mean. Those images are mostly close-up of animal faces without the context of the environment (which apparently is a hit among our sage members). That's the downside of shooting animals in controlled situations (although that's one facet of animal photography). You don't get to see the natural environment and genuine behavior.
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Just canceled my Pro Account!!!!!

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