Problems with a poor site here.

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It has become more and more apparent to me that there is a very strange voting system here,..most likely designed to attempts to squeeze money from subscribers to upgrade to a "pro" heading.
I also notice images which are smaller than the so called allocated size,..612 x 612 is a lot smaller than the size that you require, yet, it is there. A lot of the images that I have been seen in voting are really poor quality, yet I see that images that I submit have been "beaten" by these much lesser quality images,....it is going down the pan boys,....and fast,....poor site these days....
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I actually have had time to review my earlier comment,..and now I am totally certain that this site is dead.
Some hots are good,..very good, but what about the rubbish??..and why is there always 3 unique views straight away??
Some people that I have brought to the site have left in disgust, I ahve to say, I do not blame them.
Some "pros",.....seem to upload any old tripe and it makes it all the way to the top, why??..because the people voting do not have a clue,.or care,...they clearly just click on the button to gain some credits, not caring what the quality is.
My account will be terminated soon,.
And I see the lower resolution photos are still here,...how did they even get accepted???
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Joe - I'm sorry you feel that way. Honestly, when I look at quality of the images that rise to the top of the leaderboard I don't see rubbish - I see fantastic, exciting imagery. Taking a look at your portfolio I can also see that Pixoto voters have clearly found the best of your images and raised them to the top of your profile. I think when you look at it this way it is obvious that the site works and is doing what it is supposed to do.

Yes - some voters vote randomly (we find them and discount their votes) but that really doesn't matter that much in the overall scheme of things. We are not expecting that every vote will be perfect - just that overall the best images will rise to the top and everything else will end up somewhere below that (we don't care much where).

As to the smaller photos we do allow smaller images if you upload from instagram (which is by definition 612x612).

I hope this helps.
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I am not just speaking for myself here, and I have removed what I do believe to be very worthy photos because they have been suspended so early, shots that have done extremely well in other competitions. You may not see rubbish at the top, and I have said that, my complaint is that there is rubbish photos beaten quality photos in the early stages, and some are so obviously similar from the same subscriber, which I did believe was supposed to be against the rules also.
There is little doubt that the main aim here is to convince people that the only way to succeed is by paying for an upgrade, and then what??...
You win some points,..big deal!!....
I still see so much useless, badly composed, badly exposed photos in the image duels, that I now decide to skip almost every duel!
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" my complaint is that there is rubbish photos beaten quality photos in the early stages" - this certainly happens. And it is frustrating. And I wish it didn't happen - but people are people. It does not invalidate the concept or the appeal (for many).

"and some are so obviously similar from the same subscriber" - sure this happens too - and this is also frustrating because I would rather be viewing all fresh stuff that I haven't seen before. But again - doesn't change the fact that the best rises to the top.

"shots that have done extremely well in other competitions." - other photo competitions are likely looking for something different than our members. both are valid.

"there is little doubt that the main aim here is to convince people that the only way to succeed is by paying for an upgrade" - nothing could be further from the truth. If you look at the top images on the leaderboard you will see that the majority of images are NOT from pro members. If we're trying to give unfair advantages to PRO members we certainly are doing a horrible job of it.

"I still see so much useless, badly composed, badly exposed photos in the image duels, that I now decide to skip almost every duel!" - sure. anybody can submit images to Pixoto. and they do. only the best of them rise to the top. I understand that imageduel would be a lot more fun if every photo was amazing. but that's just not possible. by definition you can only find the top images if there are other images to compare them to.
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Your staunch defence only strengthens my belief of the amount of flaws that exist.
Photos cropped to the hilt and showing only close up details is not good Photography, of course your continued "best rises to the top" is also a worn out reason for for explaining what your" members are looking for".
So, what exactly are they looking for?....where are the buyers? and where are the sales figures? where are the beneficiaries? and what is the % for the Pixoto site from the sales? and why prevent members from water marking their own work?
When I joined it was a competition site only, this has been replaced it seems by a sales site, the figures for both never seems to appear anywhere visible, or is there some secret password needed to find the answers to these questions?
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I notice that the silence is deafening since been asked some simple questions.
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And how this photo got into the top 10? hhttp://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
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Has it got to the top 10?? looks like top 40 to me.....and if you know something about stock sales please do share your information.
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sorry wrong image. this image i mean. http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
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So what doe that prove?...that has nothing to do with the questions that I have asked,...and as I have already stated,...please refer some words instead of insignificant links if you are going to respond.
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Hello Joe, I am still learning the ropes around here, so I had to escalate your questions, I will get you an answer about the stock sales. Sorry for the wait and thank you for your patience.
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I have notice one common thread in jasons argument. If they decide to, then your vote no longer counts! The other is popularity rises the photo. Quote if it is what people like.

Neither of these makes for high quality photos. Maybe high quality digital enhanced work. But not a photograph.
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I guess if you argue that "what people like" is not "high quality" then you're absolutely right. Our goal is definitely not to find high quality photos that people don't like. That would seem counter productive to generating a positive experience for visitors.
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WOW!!! This chain really explains a lot. I do think there are a lot of issues with this site and they all revolve around money. As you mentioned above, there is no financial disclosure here...none. I also noticed in another post that someone is having trouble getting paid for a contest they won here. I do believe the new "Pause" procedure were experienceing really is a "trick" to try and boost Pro memberships. I think the site is in trouble and is looking for a bail out. I am happy to see here that it probably won't work. I have been waiting two days to have my account deleted. Obviously it hasn't been done yet.This sure is a poorly run site.
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I'm sorry you feel that way. We're trying our best...
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Jason , you say that alot Im sorry you feel that way.

Basically everyone wants = is to be on the same playing field and not a popularity contest.
If you have to guess above " what people like" Your answer is only is a play on words..
obviously you are being manipulated here by a small consensuses. If you have high quality, then people will like it. The votes dont show that...

Third money always has a play - it is the motivating factor of a ad base business.
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We are definitely not being manipulated by a small consensus. The vast majority of people vote roughly the same way. It is uncanny really. There are a few people who don't vote the same way as the majority (not some of the time - but most of the time) and we discount their votes. But this is a very very small percentage of members. The images on the top of the leaderboard is the the consensus of what the crowd likes. It may not be what you like, or what I like, but it is what people like in aggregate.
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Hence a popularity contest, no problem, But remember Jason when you started this you said it wasnt a popularity contest.

With all popularity contests, it is a set of manipulation either by the majority who may like a style not necessarily quality or a lack of those who have the ability to set a higher standard.

Or third as mentioned above money. " it always wins in the end when it comes to ad based business"

Thank you for your time Jason. It is your product and I know you will defend it to the death. Have fun.

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