PRO account: Able to pause/unpause ImageDuels under 100 duels

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The 100 duel capability for PRO accounts should be a "pausable" feature. Specifically....

Having a PRO player's duels *hardwired* to 100 duels is selling point for PRO accounts. However, there is a an interesting side-effect. If a (PRO) player sees his/her photo score peak at, say, 75-80 duels, (s)he has no option to stop further ImageDuels until (s)he reaches 100 duels by which time his ImageScore may have been reduced significantly. Non-PRO players when observe a downward trend in their ImageScore have the choice to stop boosting their photos (say, at 80-85 duels, for this example).

PRO players should able to pause/unpause duels before they reach 100. To avoid micro-managing/abusing the pause/unpause process, Pixoto may not pause duels immediately, but, say, after 3 duels following a player pausing duels. As long as ImageDuels have not reached 100, a player may elect to unpause his photo at a later time.
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Posted 8 years ago

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Great Idea! I was also about to give this idea.
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Count me in.
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Thanks for the feedback. Point noted. I'm conflicted on this though. More duels = more accurate ImageScores so cutting off duels simply creates more inaccuracy in the system. I'll need to noodle on it...
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Jason, while I understand your point (and one side of me, shares your concern), I also notice that if I am a non-PRO player, I can boost and stop my ImageDuels at any point I want to (paying voting credits). If I am a PRO player then I pay real money, and I would like to boost and stop whenever I want to as well.
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hmm. good point.
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Can you explain how a non pro player can stop their image duels?
It would be great if I could pause all of my pictures whilst a certain part of the world is awake and voting eh
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As noted in the original: ...Non-PRO players when observe[sic] a downward trend in their ImageScore have the choice to stop boosting their photos...

Boosting has a granularity of 5-6 duels. A PRO-account has to wait until 100 duels before decide not to reboost again.
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Not boosting a picture is not the same as pausing though.
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Probably true. It may mess up the way the algorithms work.
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Have you decided on this, Jason? I also feel that I'm unable to compete with non-PRO members who can boost and stop whenever they want to.
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Or do you think there's a workaround for this? I'm tempted to cancel my PRO membership, but I hate to miss the ability to view full ImageDuel History.
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We have decided to add this functionality and I have added it to the queue.
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Awesome.
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Cool!
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Not to sound impatient, but how much longer do we have to wait? It's been 8 months since Jason added this feature to the development queue. :)
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Hi Lucky, I will check on the status and get back to you when I have more information
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Any news yet, Sherry?
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I am sorry Lucky, I will check back again
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Any news yet, Sherry?
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Hi Lucky, it appears that this update has been put on hold while other priorities are taken care of, it is still on the list for the future though.
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Well, that's really unfortunate. Please cancel my PRO membership then.
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Lucky, I am being told they should be able to implement the update with in the next week or two.
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That's a good news. Thank you, Sherry.
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You're welcome Lucky :)
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Any news? It's been almost a month.
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Just to be clear, not boosting your images does not mean they won't get more duels.

I'm confused here Jason, please help me out; I have read here previously that your program is designed to weed out the best images, which means that those which start off well will get more votes to carry on identifying if they will reach the top.

How, then, does boosting or being able to pause fit with this ethos? I have had images accelerate abnormally, only to readjust to where I would expect it because it gets more votes which pull its score down. If I went pro and could pause it at its abnormally high position, that would mean that my average pictures would be beating much better images that people either gamble on through boosting, or who choose not to boost and get dragged down too.
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Take this image for example; it accelerated up to around 680 in the first day, and actually got #4 for the day.

Now it's voting has balanced up to nearly an equal win/loss ratio.

I still think its score is too high when I see which pictures it is beating, but my point is that had I been a pro, with the ability to pause voting, this average image would have an even more inflated score.
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If your going to allow Pro members to pause there images to stop there image score go down, give us all the same option !

I cant pause my images, i can stop boosting but sometimes they just start off again ! and on several occasions i have had images peak at late 600 or low 700s only to drop of to low 600 by the time weekly and monthly awards are given !

I agree that it would be better to stop dueling at a point where the image score is high but it should be given to all not just the pros again !
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Just so everyone knows, I have been notified that we should be able to implement this feature with in the next week or two.
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Michael and Ralph, just to be clear. Non-PRO players can boost and stop boosting whenever they want to. PRO players simply cannot. So, as ridiculous as it may sound, PRO players actually pay real money to be unfairly handicapped!
Nine months ago Jason wisely decided to make an update to remedy this situation. But, as Sherry has said, the update has been put on hold.
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There is a difference between not boosting and pausing.

One means you are not getting a guaranteed number of duels over a certain period (but duels still happen), and the other means your image will not get any duels.

So back to my earlier point: if you are able to simply stop your image receiving duels at an overly inflated score, who is that handicapping?
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Indeed there is a difference. And I wasn't in any way talking about "pausing/unpausing duels" (as if it makes any sense). I was talking about boosting/unboosting duels. (Come to think of it, I should have instead started a new thread to avoid confusion owing to the *title* of this thread. I apologize for that.)

Now, just to be clear, I just want Jason to give the PRO players the ability similar to that of the Non-PRO members (i.e. to boost and stop boosting whenever they want to), so as to level the playing field with Non-PRO members.
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I have the ability to Boost my images which you dont and i agree you should get that, but no i can not stop my images at a high point, if i choose to not boost an image it may or may not stop, in most cases it will start up again and i have on several occasions missed out on weekly or monthly awards because an image has suddenly started again AND DROPPED PLACES !

I can unpause an image or choose to leave it paused which is not the same as stopping it at a high point which you will be able to if this change comes off for you Pros,

you already get a guaranteed 100 duels a selling point of pro something we non pros were not happy about, now you want the ability to stop your images at a guaranteed winning point on the leader board ! what are your next demands 100 guaranteed winning duels, Non pros only get votes if they have a z in the day !!!

Come on play fair !!!
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PRO players's images are automatically and constantly boosted until they get 100 duels, Ralph. Therein lies the problem. Non-PRO players can choose not to boost their images. PRO players, on the other hand, simply cannot (well, not before the all-important first 100 duels). In other words, Non-PRO players have far more control of the game than the PRO player. I think that's unfair. And I know many players who don't want to become PRO (or regret being one, such as myself) for that very reason.

And of course I wasn't in any way talking about giving any players the ability to stop/pause duels (which doesn't make any sense to me, and we all agree has nothing whatsoever to do with not boosting an image.)

So, again, just to be clear, I just want Jason to give the PRO players the ability similar to that of the Non-PRO players (i.e. to boost and stop boosting whenever they want to), so as to level the playing field with Non-PRO players.

Come on play fair !!!
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So what we're saying then is that 100 guaranteed duels as part of the Pro package is not necessarily a good thing?

What are you therefore getting for being a paying member of Pixoto..?
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It is the automatic boosting (in order to fulfill the guarantee) that I don't think is a good thing. Speed without control is just not cool.

(Btw the automatic boosting comes free for PRO players. i.e., they don't have to pay credits for it.)
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Lucky what Ralf is trying to say is that even as a non pro there is no guarantee that a pic will not be duelled if we decide not to boost. Pics can be duelled even though we decide not to boost. Sometimes it goes up but generally it goes down. Allowing Pros the ability to say "thats it, no more, I am happy where the score is and I don't want to duel anymore, leave it where it is", is unfair also.
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Wow, apparently I haven't been able to make myself clear enough, even after several attempts. Must be my bad English. Please accept my apology for it. (It's my third language.)

I wasn't in any way talking about "stopping/pausing duels". I was talking about boosting and not boosting duels. Please tell me if that doesn't make any sense.
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I think what Lucky is suggesting is that the "automatic boost" feature on Pro accounts can be paused, which will drop it down to the vote rate of a non-pro account. It will still get votes just as normal accounts still get votes, but will not be using the accelerated boost feature built into Pro account.
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That would make more sense, and certainly be a perk for a paying customer.

This whole debate, however, has left me wondering if 100 guaranteed votes is actually a selling point.

Pretty much all of my images have earned 100 or more votes, and the ones that don't are the ones that pause early on, and I either resubmit them lots of times to see if it helps, or I remove them, assuming they won't ever achieve anything here.
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Exactly, Darrell! Thank you very much.
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If thats how it works then fine, but there is another thread here which is already telling people if you go pro you will be able to stop your points going down !

As for playing fair and leveling the playing field, when this pro business started a few of us were very unhappy that the pros were getting too much of an advantage with all that was being offered, we were shut down very quickly by pro members who didnt agree that We should get a "level playing field"
Now your not happy because it dosnt work in your favor anymore ? !!!
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Thanks Ralph, but it's absolutely not true that PRO members have the ability to stop their image scores from going down. (I wonder which other thread you referred to.) Like I said, PRO players actually have far less control of the game than the Non-PRO players.

And if you care to notice, this thread started 10 months ago. So it's not that it (i.e. the PRO feature we've been talking about) doesn't work in my favor anymore. It's more like it doesn't work in my favor in the first place.
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Sorry for the delay. It's coded and is in testing. It will either go out in this upcoming release (today) if it passes or the next one (probably monday/tuesday).
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it's live!
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Thanks for building that!
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Exciting! Let's give it a try.
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Exciting!

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