Images duels not working. Broken links. When I try to view site on my iPhone 4 it constantly causes the Safari browser to crash and drop down menus don't work. Inconsistent scoring on on images. With all these problems why would I subscribe for a PRO membership.
On the other hand because I won't subscribe for a PRO account I have to constantly duel boost my images so that they are entered in the same number of Image Duels as those of PRO members so that they are competing on a level playing field. With images constantly being paused after ridiculously number of Image Duels this duel boosting is a real chore. I submitted 1 photo this morning and it was entered in 8 duels, won 6 and has been paused for the last 3 hours. It would take some 'Duel Boosting' to get that up to the 100 Image Duels that PRO members are promised.
This was a great site but it has been slowly but surely destroyed with the advent of PRO accounts being the final nail in the coffin. I persevere with it in the hope that it will get better but with each new iteration of the site the problems increase.
Finally because of the number of Image Duels I have to vote in to earn enough credits to duel boost my images up to the same level as PRO players I often find my self just constantly clicking on the right hand image in the duels without really looking at what I am voting for just to earn the credits I need. I know this is completely unfair to other players but I am sure I am not the only one doing it. As I said already the site has become a complete chore and if my photos weren't doing relatively ok I would be long gone.
Please try and take some of this criticism on board. When I initially joined Pixoto it was good addictive fun. That is definitely not the case now:(
On the other hand because I won't subscribe for a PRO account I have to constantly duel boost my images so that they are entered in the same number of Image Duels as those of PRO members so that they are competing on a level playing field. With images constantly being paused after ridiculously number of Image Duels this duel boosting is a real chore. I submitted 1 photo this morning and it was entered in 8 duels, won 6 and has been paused for the last 3 hours. It would take some 'Duel Boosting' to get that up to the 100 Image Duels that PRO members are promised.
This was a great site but it has been slowly but surely destroyed with the advent of PRO accounts being the final nail in the coffin. I persevere with it in the hope that it will get better but with each new iteration of the site the problems increase.
Finally because of the number of Image Duels I have to vote in to earn enough credits to duel boost my images up to the same level as PRO players I often find my self just constantly clicking on the right hand image in the duels without really looking at what I am voting for just to earn the credits I need. I know this is completely unfair to other players but I am sure I am not the only one doing it. As I said already the site has become a complete chore and if my photos weren't doing relatively ok I would be long gone.
Please try and take some of this criticism on board. When I initially joined Pixoto it was good addictive fun. That is definitely not the case now:(
Posted 8 years ago
Jason Kiefer, Official Rep
Thanks for getting back to me Jason. My frustration with the site is growing. I submitted four photos today. The stats for them are as follows: 24 Votes/17 wins; 26 votes/18 wins; 25 votes/ 18 wins; 31 votes/ 22 wins. All of them have been paused or moving incredibly slowly for some time now. It is ridiculous that they are being paused after such a low number of duels despite doing well. If I was to try and boost them all up to 100 duels each I would have to sit all day clicking blindly on image duels to earn enough credits to do this. Where is the fun in this? Getting really close to pulling the plug completely on the site.
Jason Kiefer, Official Rep
Paul - you are bringing up some excellent points. So I took a look at the photos you submitted yesterday 6/6/12 (I only see 2 and not 4). The lightning shot will do a lot better in the weekly awards than it did in the dailys. The other shot probably won't. I can tell this because there is a score (that you can't see) that predicts where the image will end up. We don't show this score because it can be very volatile. During the first 100 votes or so ImageScore rises because we have a confidence factor built in (i.e. the more confident we are about the results the higher the score). This is what allows images to start at zero and move up. Your lightning shot is trending towards 675 the other to 595.
We don't have enough time in the 15 hours from the time the last image is submitted to get all leading images to 100 votes. So because of this images submitted earlier in the day or are boosted are at an some advantage for daily awards.
This is a real problem that I wasn't that focused on until you pointed it out.
(note - with weekly awards this isn't a factor because all of the leading images get to - or near 100 votes).
So there are a couple of things we can do here:
1) leave it as is - give the advantage to boosters (who provide additional duels for everybody else) and PROs (who pay for the site for everybody else). It's only daily awards that are effected to I'm not sure how much this matters.
2) give images their full confidence score at 50 duels (this creates more volatility - and an image is likely to go up and then down substantially - so i'm not crazy about that
3) don't allow boosting of images until daily awards are run - this may be the best alternative
I would love to know your thoughts on this.
Best
Jason
PS. your images should not have been paused with that kind win/loss ratio like that. If you see that again could you email me and don't unpause it?
We don't have enough time in the 15 hours from the time the last image is submitted to get all leading images to 100 votes. So because of this images submitted earlier in the day or are boosted are at an some advantage for daily awards.
This is a real problem that I wasn't that focused on until you pointed it out.
(note - with weekly awards this isn't a factor because all of the leading images get to - or near 100 votes).
So there are a couple of things we can do here:
1) leave it as is - give the advantage to boosters (who provide additional duels for everybody else) and PROs (who pay for the site for everybody else). It's only daily awards that are effected to I'm not sure how much this matters.
2) give images their full confidence score at 50 duels (this creates more volatility - and an image is likely to go up and then down substantially - so i'm not crazy about that
3) don't allow boosting of images until daily awards are run - this may be the best alternative
I would love to know your thoughts on this.
Best
Jason
PS. your images should not have been paused with that kind win/loss ratio like that. If you see that again could you email me and don't unpause it?
Again I thank you for getting back to me but I am still finding the site very unsatisfactory since the introduction of PRO accounts. I submitted the following 3 images approx 48 hours ago.
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
They have not been boosted have been entered in 44, 47 and 41 duels respectively. This works out at less that one duel an hour for each of the images over the last 2 days. The are all preforming relatively well in that the have far more wins than losses and could be far higher up the leader board if they had been entered in more duels. In previous versions of Pixoto these would all have been entered in far more image duels by now.
I am now going to boost them to see how they perform but this is becoming an increasingly frustrating experience and as I said before is sucking all of the fun out of the Pixoto experience:(
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
They have not been boosted have been entered in 44, 47 and 41 duels respectively. This works out at less that one duel an hour for each of the images over the last 2 days. The are all preforming relatively well in that the have far more wins than losses and could be far higher up the leader board if they had been entered in more duels. In previous versions of Pixoto these would all have been entered in far more image duels by now.
I am now going to boost them to see how they perform but this is becoming an increasingly frustrating experience and as I said before is sucking all of the fun out of the Pixoto experience:(
Jason Kiefer, Official Rep
Hi Paul. We made a change last night that will help with the score disadvantage for non-boosted images. If you watch your newly submitted images you'll see that scores rise dramatically faster and then level off at lower number of votes.
We have a solution to the daily awards problem (I still contend there is not a problem in weekly awards - let me know if you disagree). We are going to give much more votes in the first day - hopefully we'll have this done next week.
Looks like they have gotten between 8 and 10 duels in the last 5 hours - so not boosting seems to be working...
We have a solution to the daily awards problem (I still contend there is not a problem in weekly awards - let me know if you disagree). We are going to give much more votes in the first day - hopefully we'll have this done next week.
Looks like they have gotten between 8 and 10 duels in the last 5 hours - so not boosting seems to be working...
Jason Kiefer, Official Rep
Paul. I think we may have a come up with a solution to the issue with daily awards. It uses existing technology so we should be able to implement it on today's 6/14 images. Let me know if you see a difference.
I had voiced my grievance in this respect via facebook ...here is the URL
https://www.facebook.com/pixoto/posts...
https://www.facebook.com/pixoto/posts...
What does it mean when it says to add 5 tags???
Jasenka, Official Rep
Hello Erin, tags describe photos in words (tags or keywords) that are relevant to the photo.
I hope this helps.
I hope this helps.
Jason the fact is you want to make money and justify your subscriber ship. The event of one not having to run hard (pro account) and the other having to run hard (Non pro account) in itself doesn't make it a contest any more. If you view contests as as area where two or more players have a reasonable level or equal playing fields to contend in. The simple fact is problems can be over looked. But what happened last night only proves the point that pixoto has now become a solely business venture for you and your team.
Jason Kiefer, Official Rep
DC - I'm not sure what you mean by what happened last night. Can you elaborate?
I agree with the feelings expressed above. I did enjoy the opportunity to learn photography on your site, but not very enjoyable to see great pictures with low points just because they are not PROs and have not the same oportunity to get them as others because of the new system. It is sad to have to look for other places to keep learning.
Jason Kiefer, Official Rep
As I said above PROs don't have an unfair advantage in ImageScore in the long run. In fact some PROs are complaining that some of their images do worse by being a PRO (and this is not without truth).
As you can see Jason I am not the only one unhappy with the way the site is going. It really is a pain in the ass to see one of my pic scoring really well in image duels and then just stop after about 50 duels and then see lesser pics pass me out because the have been submitted by PRO members who will get their allotted 100 image duels.
I submitted this pic 2 days ago and saw it very quickly get to 50 image duels with 32 wins and it hasn't moved in ages. I had one pic last week break the magic 100 image duel ceiling but that was after incessant duel boosting. Not fun.
I submitted this pic 2 days ago and saw it very quickly get to 50 image duels with 32 wins and it hasn't moved in ages. I had one pic last week break the magic 100 image duel ceiling but that was after incessant duel boosting. Not fun.
Jason Kiefer, Official Rep
Paul. I see that your image is current on the top of the leaderboard for this week out of the 9000 images submitted in the past two days. And there are no pros in the top 10. As I mentioned above. I see, and appreciate your concerns, and we are doing something about it. It won't happen over night but I'm committed to solving the daily awards problem.
Your images that are scoring in the high 600s from last week will make it to 100 votes before weekly awards are assigned. That said I would bet, based on changes that we made to our scoring system as a result of your our feedback, their scores won't change all that much.
But let's keep record:
This image is currently at IS 690 with ID 74 : http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
This is at IS 619 with ID 69 : http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
Let's check where those images end up on Thursday morning.
Your images that are scoring in the high 600s from last week will make it to 100 votes before weekly awards are assigned. That said I would bet, based on changes that we made to our scoring system as a result of your our feedback, their scores won't change all that much.
But let's keep record:
This image is currently at IS 690 with ID 74 : http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
This is at IS 619 with ID 69 : http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
Let's check where those images end up on Thursday morning.
Jason Kiefer, Official Rep
Hi Paul. So it looks like I was generally right about those two images (except the second one didn't quite get to 100 duels). They ended up at right around the same ImageScore even after a lot more duels.
I also noticed that yesterday you had #2,#3 and #4 in the mobile category with the number of votes closing in on 100. Congrats. I think daily awards are definitely working better - if I do say so myself.
I want to thank you for pushing us on this issue instead of just walking. It was the fact that you were so fired up about it that caused us to take a close look at it and resolve the issue. Thanks!
I also noticed that yesterday you had #2,#3 and #4 in the mobile category with the number of votes closing in on 100. Congrats. I think daily awards are definitely working better - if I do say so myself.
I want to thank you for pushing us on this issue instead of just walking. It was the fact that you were so fired up about it that caused us to take a close look at it and resolve the issue. Thanks!
By the way I'm off to vote on some image duels to get the credits I need to boost my own pics. If you see some crap pics getting votes it is probably me cos I barely look at what I voting for any more. I have to try and earn so many credits to try and boost my pics up to the same number of duels as PRO members I don't have time to examine each pic individually and a lot of the time I will click on a pic without even looking at it. Completely unfair I know but I didn't design the site to have this over reliance on earning credits. It is becoming like the freemium model that is ruining App Store games. Either you pay up front or 'grind' your way through image duels to earn what PRO members are automatically entitled to.
Jason Kiefer, Official Rep
I'm really sorry you feel that way - but why don't you stop boosting and give it a week to see if our new vote allocation methodology is working.
where are u now Paul?
As a subscriber to the PRO account I have the impression that my images don't reach the score levels they used to do in the pre-PRO period (Justin mentioned this in this thread and I wonder how this can happen...)
Besides that, voting is very slow most of the times and by the time you get your 100 votes (usually after three or four days) there is not much to gain in launching a duel boost which can bring the score even more down.
I certainly don't feel advantaged since the PRO upgrade, as a matter of fact if I could turn back time I would have left things as they were...
Besides that, voting is very slow most of the times and by the time you get your 100 votes (usually after three or four days) there is not much to gain in launching a duel boost which can bring the score even more down.
I certainly don't feel advantaged since the PRO upgrade, as a matter of fact if I could turn back time I would have left things as they were...
Keep in mind that you Pixoto has almost one million photos that you now need to compete against and I would think that it would make sense that everyone's scores will be reduced as the competition heats up. The votes would naturally slow down just based on simple math. "people vs photos". The only reason a score goes down is because it loses duels. Pro has nothing to do with it. Also i don't believe that a Pro account was supposed to give anyone an advantage. Just certain benefits. IMHO
