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When I look at leader board I see both pro and non-pro users on top, so I would say that every user (regardless if it has pro status or not) has fair opportunity to rise to the top of leader boards.
Can you please explain more what the problem seems to be?
And after reading all this thread it is becoming very clear that there is in my opinion some serious issues.
I thank you for the compliment Ian but looking at your work - why you are not top of the leader board is way beyond me.
I think you and Jenny are it seems a prime example that something is not right.
This is just some of the images dueled against my Portrait of a Woman.
I have taken the trouble to also show you the 5 shots of the man fishing which are presently all winning awards for the same photog when they are clearly very much the same.
I would be interested to know if anyone is seeing images from two different sub categories appearing on the voting screen. I have never been presented with this and I have voted 1000's of times. But my image history clearly shows a lot of these images. I spent some time last night looking at the history of all the top images on the leader board for portraits of women, I did not find any miss-matched history entries until I got down into the 500's where I found a couple of portraits of men that won against the portrait of a woman. Very suspicious because I would have expected to see more especially in the higher scoring images!!!!!
I don't want to advertise my image with an award of 7th place when as things currently stand, my image has now been voted up to 5th place.
1) Jenny and Ian don't feel that their images get enough votes with out duels to have accurate daily awards. This could be true - we try our best to find great images as fast as we can but sometimes it takes longer. If your image takes off right away then you're like to rise in less than 24 hours - but if it's on a slower take-off you might need to wait to weeklies for an accurate award. Two possible solutions IF daily awards are important to you 1) boost images 2) go pro. As can be seen from the number of pros in the top of the daily leaderboard (i.e. about the same percentage as % of pros) - it doesn't help you win awards but it will guarantee you get get more duels.
Note: even though daily awards aren't as accurate as weeklies - we're not going to get rid of them. Most of our members love getting them.
2) Images of Men rarely paired with women - this is just the fact that there are many, many more images of women than men.
3) improperly recategorized image - I'm sorry if this happened - it doesn't happen very often but sometimes we do make mistakes.
4) there was some insinuation that Pixoto is declining and photographers are leaving. There are certainly always photographers that are leaving (this is the case with any business) and Pixoto certainly isn't for everyone. That said - recent improvements we have made at all levels have lead to unprecedented growth for us over the past 6 months and traffic/activity has doubled.
I hope this helps.
I am just being honest, and sometimes that means complaining. I feel from your response, you are taking this as a personal attack on Pixoto, and while I can understand you must feel protective of it, it is important to listen to the people who help contribute to making it work. This sometimes means hearing some feedback that you'd probably rather not. I am now beginning to think that it might have been better for me to just quietly stop uploading and go on my way, but I didn't feel that would be of any help to Pixoto not know why they had lost a member. I loved Pixoto in the beginning, I thought it was one of the best sites on the web. By raising my concerns, I was hoping this might help Pixoto make improvements, but if you have a different opinion on the way things are going, and don't feel the issues raised are important, then there isn't really anywhere to go with that. I will wish you well and ask you to please close my account.
Thanks for the fun in the early days,
But when I vote I never see men paired with women and I have voted 1000's of times within the 7 weeks of being a member. These images are not in the wrong categories because I checked to make sure.
What you fail to see is we are experiencing a lot of these images and sometimes up to 5 in a row and when this happens on upload my image is paused immediately. I have to keep resubmitting until I get correctly paired images and my image starts its journey. However these images of Monks, fishermen. men smoking or picking their nose keep appearing and slowing down my progress.
If you are presented with two completely different images for example - a man fishing and a portrait of a woman - you happen to like fishing so you will choose the man fishing. this is not a true reflection of the quality of work it is just the preference of the voter. But if you present 2 images of a portrait of a woman you are forcing the voter to choose what he/she thinks is the best image.
Jenny is experiencing exactly the same problem in digital art - you can't compare a building with a beautiful piece of digital art if you are into architecture then obviously you will be drawn towards the building shot.
I am posting this example again because clearly you missed it. Also notice the Man with an EYE on his hand - that image is in "portraits of men" when it is clearly digital art. I reported this 6 times and surprise surprise it is still there. Also the 5 shot of the man fishing from the same photog all winning awards when they are clearly very similar. Think you staff need some training or an incentive like a Day Award or Week Award to motivate them - sorry but I am really annoyed.
Boosting should not be an option because strangely it returns more of the badly paired images which is why people are reporting high loses when they boost.
A. it was an insult to me personally.
B. It was not fair on the Digital Art users to have a high quality shot being judged against their hard work.
By the time I was notified the image had a score of 549 and we are talking about maybe 15 minutes. I thought it was grossly unfair to leave it there as an award would have been totally unfair.
I notice you do not offer to re-instate my image when it was clearly going to win a week award after winning #1 of the day awards!!!!
That image was not getting automatic duels and suffering badly paired votes. I spent the day boosting until it reached #1. It was continuously winning votes against the top two rows of images and if I had boosted more the score would have gone into the legend score - which it did on its own before a run of bad voting brought it down to the lower 700's.
The fact that image was there for over a week and got lots of comments regarding its quality from some of your top users shows it was an act of jealousy by the person who reported it as digtal art, and your staffs inability to see the compliant was un-justified.
Now this is 3 images deleted or moved in 5 weeks of using the site. All high scoring images and all with high awards. So suspicious?
As for your comment "In general my work is portraits of women" there are other images in my account that are not as high quality. There are some really over processed and low quality images I used to prove a point with the bad voting.
Uploading a pair of images (1 good and 1 bad) highlighted what happens when people vote against your image. The good quality image goes straight to the top and shortly after it is voted down. The bad images are pushed up the leader board and win awards which is exactly what happened. My bad image came is at #6 score 710 on its own without boosting. I had to keep boosting the good image and eventually managed #7.
I repeated this several times with almost exactly the same results.
The other images are old (5-6 years) digtal art which are low quality compared with what can be achieved with todays software and high performance pc's. I uploaded them for fun and to see how well they would do out of interest. Some failed and some got respectable scores which is more than I expected from low quality images.
This one is epic! But unfortunately for you it is not the only one ... :)
Should I just send it to the DDB, my classmate is working there ... perhaps they have something to say about it, or will Axe have something to add to it or a real photographer would have ... like a lawsuit :)
Let me quote you: "I thought I could just upload some images and everything would work - there is so much cheating on this site it is crazy."
Really??? You don't say so :P
Ian has been banned from Pixoto due to copyright infringement. I'm sorry that I wasted so much time bending over backwards trying to help this criminal with his crime. As much as he denies in now he has been infringing on other peoples copyrights since he first joined Pixoto.
Now please don't ignore problems discussed here because cheater was talking about them.
This just shows there is too much cheating going on here so problems and reports need faster response - users can help but can't do everything, Pixoto staff needs to do more and control categories more often - he is banned now but many other honest users lost points and awards because of him, Dheny and other cheaters and they can't get that back...
This pure long exposure shot (nice as it is) is in the digital art category and I just lost a duel to it:
I've reported it, but meanwhile I'm struggling to even get into the 600s with my image: http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra... I don't expect everyone to like my work of course!, but this image has done very well on 500px.com...
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