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Pixoto is now more of a challenge site then a contest site something needs to be done. Challenges with over a thousand entrees are significantly slowing down contest voting. Its way out of hand and something needs to be done. You used to get 100 battles for votes in a day now it takes days. Limitations needs to be set to keep the site running the way it was meant to be. HELP!!!!!!!!!
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I totally agree with the topic. One simple solution is not to enter pictures in their challanges anymore. And then to skip the votes for their challanges also. At least until Pixoto answers.
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Given the number of us contributing to these threads compared to those not, whilst I agree with the sentiment expressed, it is not going to make any difference to how these challenges are run.
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The membership number of 9500 has been bandied about here several times... if there are 9500 members / users, and only 5 or 6 discussing the topic, then Mr. Moore has a very valid point...
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But how many ACTIVE users are there?
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And how many ever check in on the "help and community" forum?
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As bold and crazy as the idea was, the "Shameless Challenge to Earn Credits" was, I think, a great idea and hopefully it will bring attention to the issue. With luck, people will be curious enough to check it out and MAYBE those who need to be embarrassed by it (both owners and culprits) will be to the point of doing something about it.
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That was definitely my point there Theresa and I appreciate the support I've received for it. I think there are some problems with awareness and its not entirely the fault of all the users. Without stricter guidelines by Pixoto many people don't see the problem. Others however just don't care about the problem. Really hoping we hear something from Pixoto soon though. In creating this challenge however, I assumed I could delete it before it went to voting. Apparently that is not an option. Any thoughts from people here on what I should do with the challenge? I don't want the credits and didn't want another challenge to clog up voting. Should I disqualify all the photos then delete it before it hits the deadline? Or should I just leave it alone? Thanks for your input.
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If you plan to continue until it effects positive change, then just let it be. Either keep the points or perhaps you could use them to restart images you feel are worth seeing on the site.
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Let it run :-) It is a challenge and some people will start complaining if they see they lose their credits. Before you know it, someone will start a thread about you ;-) Furthermore, the more visibility it gets, the better. More people might become aware of the issue. And for the credits... enjoy them. We know why you started the challenge. As long as you don't continue with #2 - #365. :-)
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Second..
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Thanks everyone. Good to see more people getting in on the threads here.
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I have only been on here for less than a month but have already seen the effect of all these challenges have had on getting instant feedback (or maybe my photos are just crap). I think that the whole challenge system needs overhauling.
My suggestions would be:
1) No one can have more than 4 challenges at any given time.
2) The moderator only gets a set number of credits for starting the challenge. I think that some users put up a vague challenge to attract more people and get more credits. Or have the moderator have to spend credits to set up a challenge.
3) To go with #2 have a set number of entries. Some of these challenges get over a 1,000 entries which clogs up the voting. I would like to see an option when setting up a challenge that the deadline is a date or when the maximum number of entries is met.
4) No similar challenges going on at the same time. There are several challenges that are image score in the 400's (myself included).
5) Have a set number of challenges a certain photo can be in at any given time. Like others have said the same images get submitted over and over again.

Just my 2 cents.
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The scene is chaotic ! And I second every above mentioned opinions of our seasoned members. I used to run one challenge at a time fairly regularly. But for weeks I'm finding it daring to tax the Pixoto customers with yet another challenge !

Pixoto must have started giving credit points to moderators just to boost the scene. Now that it is over boosted and kinda flooded, NO CREDIT POINTS FOR SETTING UP CHALLENGES can be considered seriously. This way too general topics where anything can be an entry (So many examples in the recent past) will lessen considerably.

NOT MORE THAN 3 CHALLENGES BY A MODERATOR AT A TIME including under voting period.

CHALLENGES THAT COULD NOT GET THE REQUIRED MINIMUM NUMBER WITHIN THE STIPULATED TIME NEED BE REMOVED WITHIN 2 DAYS OR SO. But we have to compensate for the lost credits to those who have entered already. You can even consider DEDUCTING CREDITS THAT ARE REIMBURSED FROM THE MODERATOR to lessen such fancy topics for challenge.

NOBODY SHALL BE ALLOWED RUN A FUTURISTIC CHALLENGE WITH LONG PERIODS FOR ENTERING AND VOTING. I can just now start a challenge saying BEST OF 2015 putting Dec.31st 2015 as the deadline for entering. (I sincerely hope some persons are not overhearing!). The voting has to end within a period too.

Just some suggestions. I'm sure this enlightened community can convince Team Pixoto to come out with an appropriate solution.

HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL PIXOTO MEMBERS !
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Hi all, just wanted to let you know that we will make changes to the challenge system so each user will be able to have maximum 3 challenges in submit stage.

I hope this helps.
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Its a good start Jesenka.. Thanks a lot! As mlast said, pls look into the other suggestions too and make it an even better place !
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As a new user, I thank you.. makes me want to stick around.
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Can I just query what this means as someone could submit 3 challenges a day which would not help the situation. Are you meaning there is to be a limit of three and no more allowed until those three are judged and closed?
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If I'm reading it correctly, it means having no more than 3 open challenges at a time. Submit phase meaning currently open and taking submissions from users. Doesn't sound like it includes having challenges in the voting phase. So you could have 3 open challenges and also have 3 in the voting phase. That's my take on it but Jasenka can probably clarify.
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Hi, Mlast is correct, 3 challenges in submit stage.

Thank you all for suggestions.
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thanks for the response.
perhaps also a max number of challenges you can create over a certain period (e.g. a month)?
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Thank you for the news Jasenka. Hopefully this is a start in getting things back to fun again.
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Thank you so much
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Great news! Thank you Management!
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I don't think this is going to help. There should be a limit on the number any one member can have running at any one time with no more allowed until one challenge has been totally cleared.
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This announcement is already an improvement on the existing situation Terry. Perhaps we must all keep this thread active to see if it helps and if not, add more suggestions.
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I agree with John here while accepting the 'insufficient' feel expressed by Terry and others.. Nobody thinks that the issue is resolved. But this is the first step in the right direction at least. I'm sure Jesenka is gonna surprise us with more !!
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I agree
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If it was three challenges in total over both open and voting stages then that would be ok. But what is to stop people opening three, running them for a couple of days, closing them for voting, opening three more, doing the same.......how many credits would they get out of that?
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I can live with three in each state - open and voting. I don't really care about the credits she gets. My primary concern is keeping the voting on newly submitted images at a reasonable pace. My secondary concern is the number of challenges open at one time. All in all, there have been very few abusers of the system.
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According to Jasenka's post on two other threads, Pixoto will be implementing a 3 Challenge limit for users. This applies to having 3 Challenges in the Submit phase. They could go further in my opinion but this should certainly help.

Thanks for hearing us Pixoto.
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They could have gone further. It should have included the voting stage. Its a start I guess
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HA! Well that worked...not. She just added 2 more challenges. Up to number seven and it's 1/07. Anybody else see the pattern emerging?
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Did she? well... whats the time to start this?? Jesenka would answer only tomorrow !
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Sure have!,!
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Please tell me that Pixoto is going to implement this retroactively and delete her newest challenges. Its taking me a lot of restraint not to unload on her through the comments on her latest challenges. Surely she's seen the comments left on her currency challenge. She just doesn't care.
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A system that lets 3 or 4 people interfrear with 9600 members is not a good system
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This new rule need to go into effect! Cecilia Sterling is out of control. Another Challenge added today: http://www.pixoto.com/challenges/ch-8...

Can someone from Pixoto contact her and update her about the pending changes? Please delete her excess challenges.
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Jasenka, when are the new rules to be implemented?
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Hello Michael, new rules will be implemented as soon as challenge system is reprogrammed. We will try to complete it as soon as we can.
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Thank you for the rapid response.
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Why can't you email certain people directly and ask them to stop what they are doing? I've gotten emails from Pixoto I didn't like. I lived through the experience :)
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Bazinga!!!!
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Perhaps a temporary suspension on the main offenders until the new changes become effective?
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I have no problem with honest mistakes and I have made a few myself but the is out and out defiance some heads should roll
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Great points all around. This is certainly defiance. I'm sure she's seen the comments I've left on 2 of her challenges. Its just not in the spirit of community. Clearly she won't stop until Pixoto makes her stop.
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What should really pissoff everyone is the if anyone of us put a photo in a wrong category they would jump all over us in a second but they have let this go on without a word to the ones doing it. Vote to fast and your blocked from voting. I just don't understand the though process here
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I sure hope they get the "reprogramming" done fast...Best bud of She who shall not be named, just loaded the challenges up with her own brand of c..p so we have double the fun cluttering up the challenge page. Does anyone doubt this will continue full throttle now that they know the rule has no teeth?
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I agree with the frustration expressed here about the Community Challenges being in essence hijacked by a small group of users. Not knowing the backstory, I figured that Pixoto must have requested the moderators create the challenges to increase the library of stock photos. Glad that wasn't the case and Pixoto's management is implementing some new changes to limit the number of Community Challenges that can be posted during a specific period of time..

Thanks everyone for your efforts.
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Please scroll back in this thread to see a response from Brandi Hollywood. She submitted it this morning.
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Jasenka, can anything be done about these people creating several challenges before the new rules are live on the site? Maybe an email or message to them or maybe just delete their challenges. This is really out of hand. At this rate the whole rest of this month is going to be ruined by these challenges. A repeat offender just created 6 challenges.
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Michael, I don't think Pixoto has a large staff or a large budget. For whatever reason, they aren;t going to use the email route and they can't quickly implement the change to their CMS to enforce the new challenge rule. It is what it is. I think this is the best site of its type on the Internet. I'm keeping that in mind and putting the challenge thing is context. It's aggravating, We've tried. It will get fixed. My tranquilizers are kicking in. Can you tell? LOL
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You're right Lou. Frustrating but I'm sticking it out. May have to stay away from the challenge page for a bit to keep the blood pressure down. Now where did I put those tranquilizers?
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Please pass a few this way too you guys. In hindsight I suppose it was the.."trying to find solution that would be satisfying to all" that should have tipped us off in the first place that this wasn't going to be a quick and easy fix. Not sure why this is be negotiated but I guess it is.
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I just got here... December 23rd I think. I love the concept of the site, and I agree with Lou on the probability that man power to implement change is lacking.

But like Theresa, I too am curious about the stance of the owners in regard to negotiating with the abusers.. Doesn't seem like it would take great effort to simply suspend their account for a bit until common sense and limited challenges can prevail...
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Just another thought Jasenka. I understand that CMS changes can take some time but would Pixoto just consider putting up some simple notes about the upcoming rule change? Maybe in the note you can ask people to respect the upcoming rules and adhere to them now. I don't want to antagonize anyone by leaving my own comments on their challenges anymore. Everyone on this thread has the best intentions but we're not in the position to get those people posting challenges to change their ways.
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The new 3 challenges rule seem to be working. There is now only a handful of members who have more that 3 challenges on the go.
My suggestion would be to avoid the ones with more than 3.
Once we have got that sorted, Please start restricting the challenges so similar subjects are avoided, then we might actually have an interesting site again.
Especially if we could cut back on similar images. People who post challenges could do something there, by disqualifying similar images in their contests.
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I'm not sure its working as most people don't even know about it. Its the same 4 or 5 people now with more than 3 challenges. They'll keep going until something forces them to stop. Even when the new rule is in place these people will just constantly have 3 new challenges to put up every time. There will need to be more restrictions like a max number per month or year.
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The three challenge limit in submit won't really help stop the determined ones. All they need to do is start three, put them to voting stage and start three more. It needs to be a total limit of three, I actually think it should be only two, in all stages with one having to totally end before a new one can be started.
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I'm with you on this one Terry. Otherwise we are going to see a daily pile-up of challenges ready for the release.
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Correct indeed Terry
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Terry, you are 100% correct.
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Ummmmm. What the heck sort of a challenge is this supposed to be? http://www.pixoto.com/challenges/my-l...
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I just saw that one and thought the same thing.
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even more so, what has a seal to do with a bunny? lol
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I believe someone is just making a statement about the challenge...
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Hi all, just to let you know that reprogramming of challenges is finished and now each user can only have 3 challenges in submit stage.
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Thank you Jasenka for advising us.
How is the membership to be advised? A general email to everyone ?
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Hi Michael, user will not be able to make 4th challenge if he has already 3 challenges in submit stage.
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Thank you for your usual quick response. Enjoy your weekend,
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Jasenka thank you so much for all your help your the only one on the Pixoto team that communicated with us.

Augie
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Hi Augie, that is what I am here for :) others have other chores.

You are welcome, I'm happy we were able to handle this issue.
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One benefit I hadn't considered is the likelihood that some of the challenges that have been around forever (Greyhounds in Motion anyone?) are likely to be deleted now.
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But who will delete them Lou ?.. I don't think the moderator can do it once he/she has uploaded the challenge. (Not sure actually but I could not even edit one of my challenges after I had uploaded it). Unless we have a stipulation stating that any challenge without takers for more than 3 days(just a figure) beyond the deadline will be removed by Team Pixoto, we are going to see these orphaned challenges around...
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A moderator can delete their own challenge. I don't know if there is a time limit on this. You are right, there are some things that cannot be edited - such as the title and the ending date, but other things can be edited such as the amount of credits per image to enter the challenge.
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I suspect those already started will be allowed to finish but that they cannot start any new ones?
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Hi Terry, you are correct.
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Hi Anoop, moderator can delete the challenge.
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Is it?? Then why some challenges have duplicates without any entry for long? I thought it was because it can't be deleted. Thanks Jesenka for clearing this.
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And thanks Lou for the info. I saw your reply only just now.
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Hi; Jasenka. I know that everyone in this thread appreciates Pixoto's efforts to address the issue of some members running too many contests at once. I encountered a little problem with the fix. I am running three contests at the moment. I wanted to edit one and change the picture. When I hit the save changes button, I got the message that I could not do so because I already have three contests running. It needs to be able to distinguish between adding a new contest and editing one that already exists. I know that won't happen today, but it is something that should be done down the line.
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Also, it seems that now that the number of community challenges is limited for each person, those that are seeking lots of credits are simply creating challenges that are very generic such as "Flowers of Any Kind", "Best of", "Any Type, Any Colors". Perhaps there needs to be a maximum number of entries allowed or at least a maximum number of credits that a moderator can earn. Nine open challenges already have more than 1,000 entries. Several others exceed 500. I think that as more moderators see that you can get 1,000+ credits by creating very generic contests, we will see more and more of those... again clogging the voting system.
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I say limit both. The 3 challenge limit was just the tip of the iceberg in terms of a better challenge system. I say limit the amount of times any one photo can be submitted for challenges as well. I swear there are some shots that I've seen over 200 times because the user keeps submitting them to any challenge they can. I don't know about other people but after seeing the same images over and over again, I tend to like them less. Its an easy trap to fall into and I probably over submitted some of mine in my first 6 months on the site. I then saw how annoying it was to see repeats and corrected my behavior. If there were rules in place though we could avoid this issue right away.
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We suggested limiting the number of credits that could be earned per challenge.
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I suppose it could be argued that those challenges attracting a lot of entries are simply popular with members.
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Im really glad they are trying to fix this problem but the the real fix is to only have Pixto make challanges I think this is the only site that allows its member to make their own contests.
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Augie, I respectfully disagree. As a new user (December 23rd) I enjoy the fact that users can create a challenge...

I'm never in favor of reprimanding all for the violations of the few...

Simply correct or reprimand the few.

I think the site is on the way to good corrective measures..

-Alan
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Members being able to create challenges is an attraction of the site. Maybe further modifications are needed
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I do like that we are able to create our own challenges. Some users have been very creative in their challenges. Taking away the ability to create challenges isn't the answer. I think that they are on the right track with only allowing 3 challenges per user. I think that there should be a cap in the number of entries per challenge.I would like to see something like have a maximum of 500 entries. The voting on the challenge will start at a given date or if the maximum is reached before that date have the voting start early. Have a set value of credits that moderators receive for being a moderator of a challenge. Also maybe not allow the same image in multiple challenges at the same time.
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I agree with you Jeremy but i would go just a little further and put a minimum entries on too,

There is no point having a challenge with only 80 or 90 entries ! even worse if all or most are entered by 1 person say the moderator of there own challenge ?
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