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Would the admin please explain to me why my picture that I entered in the pwcstilllife competition, in accordance with the category requirements, has been recategorised into transportation.

Not only have the votes been set to zero but of course I have also lost the points I used for duel boost etc.

Here is the picture
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Will, I am not admin but when I saw your pic the first thing that jumped out at me was that the pic was not offered for market. It's one of the conditions of entry into the weekly challenge
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When did that ridiculous rule come about?
It was recategorised due to being reported as being in the wrong category though which in fact it wasn't.
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Yes you are correct, it will be done before the awards are given out. The report team moved the image, so a report was filed on the image. They do not move images with out a report being filed.
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So you agree that it in fact was not in the wrong category?
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Still life images need to contain a natural object used in a still life fashion. The Sub Category Still Life was introduced recently because there was no place for images that contained natural objects as well as man made objects.

The marketplace rule has always been in effect for Weekly Challenges though.

You can read the full rules at http://blog.pixoto.com/?p=1825
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You may want to go through and recategorize a large number of the entries then. I think you will find that chess pieces do not occur naturally and neither do pencils etc etc

By the way chromium as seen in the picture is a naturally occurring element
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Wasn't in Nature up close opened subcategory Other natural objects just for that purpose (for natural object) so they can stay out of Artistic objects?

Now I'm confused :)
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Hi Sherry I see the chess set and pencils are still in the pwcstilllife contest, would you recategorize them please
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"The marketplace rule has always been in effect for Weekly Challenges though". No it hasn't, it was introduced after Pixoto launched the stock service. You have in fact had at least one non-marketplace challenge since then. I don't really get why Pixoto restricts it to marketplace only, since that alienates anyone who is here for the competition side only - and I don't bother to enter them for that reason since forcing someone to sell their work in order to enter a competition is just bad.
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Ok let me rephrase that:

Since I have been here the marketplace rules have been in effect on every challenge
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I have never thought that the definition of "still life" was that it had to contain a natural object. I have always thought of it as photography of inanimate objects. I would have thought that a car was pushing it to get into a still life. Here is the definition I have always thought of as still life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Still_life

There is no reason why you can't have both natural and man made things in a still life but I have never heard that it had to contain both. Pixoto have decided that their defintion is to contain both so I guess all that don't include both must go also.
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This is the Pixoto definition as defined by Jason so that the type of photos mentioned have a place to reside on the site.
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I think the problem arises when someone defines still life for a website as different from the generally accepted one
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To me a car is transportation not still life.........
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To me fruit is food so not still life so all that best be removed as well eh
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What rattles me Charliemagne is that it seems to me that the admins pick and choose which pictures to apply these unwritten rules to.
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That's what i am thinking sir.
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As I said earlier, the challenge has not and will not be DQed officially until later in the week, the image that was DQ was reported. However Charliemagne linked photos above that are indeed considered still life under Pixoto's definition.
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I'm really struggling to understand what you mean here.
" the challenge has not and will not be DQed officially until later in the week"
Are you suggesting that the challenge it's self will be cancelled?
By the way where did you say this earlier?

"the image that was DQ was reported"
I have reported a great many in this challenge on the grounds that they don't comply with your definition but I don't see them DQd including the one sitting in first place.

Can you explain how a glass chess set differs from a car in the Pixoto definition as published on the site please?
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I think what Sherry is trying to say is that some that have been reported (yours included) have been DQ'd. The report team will act on the others reported and there will be a final run through of the entries and any ineligable will be DQ'd before awards for the weekly challenge are given.
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I've reported quite a few but they don't seem to get DQ'd
I'm actually more concerned that my picture was DQ'd for infringing a non existent rule whereas others that also infringe this non existent rule remain in the contest
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The fotos that i reported were not in their proper category. We have food and drink category, just like you recategorized the car transportation.
if there is no food and drink category i think they are in the right place.
the categories are quite complicated though.
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If the report team does not take care of them, I will during my disqualification rounds.
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Will. no the Challenge is not being cancelled.

I am the person that does the disqualifications for most images that are not reported for other reasons, like the wrong category.

The report team does not moderate Sub Categories so if they deem an image to be an Artistic Object, even if it is wrongly placed in Still Life, they will leave it in that sub category. Your image was in the wrong category, they DO moderate at the category level, so your image was moved. The rules clearly state that when an image is moved for being in the wrong category, it is disqualified.

The deadline for the Weekly Challenge is Saturday night, I generally start disqualifications on Friday night unless I have time before then. This week I am traveling and I will not have time before then.
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Sherry would you please point out which part of the following description lead you to believe the picture in question did not qualify for the category?

Artistic Objects – Here’s where you put all of those artistic shots of man made objects of all types from coffee mugs to violins. Natural objects modified from their natural form can also be placed here. The still life subcategory can be used when there are two or more objects in an unnatual setting as the subject. Subcategories: Musical Instruments, Glass, Antiques, Clothing & Accessories, Jewelery, Toys, Still Life, Other Objects

Man made objects----- A car is clearly that.
Two or more objects--- A car is thousands
An unnatural setting ----A white room is not a natural setting for a car
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Will, the car belongs in the transportation category. I am sorry you are unhappy with the decision the report team made, but transportation is clearly the correct category. Have a great day.
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So basically you can find no aspect of the category description that would lead to a valid DQ.
Based on this unwritten rule all fruit belongs in Food & Drink, buildings in Buildings & Architecture etc etc

Out of interest why are there other cars and forms of transport still in and even pictures with people in whereas my has long gone?
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As I have said repeatedly, the images that do not fit in the category and in the challenge will be removed before the awards are granted on the challenge.
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Sorry Sherry but I'm really struggling with your English.

"I am the person that does the disqualifications for most images that are not reported for other reasons, like the wrong category."
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"As I have said repeatedly, the images that do not fit in the category and in the challenge will be removed before the awards are granted on the challenge."

So we can expect all pictures containing food to be disqualified?
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The Report Team can and will disqualify an image.

The Report Team will disqualify an image if it is reported to them for any reason that is considered a violation of the contest rules.

Some examples are Watermarks, Wrong Category, Duplicate images, Copyright Infringement.

Your image was reported for being in the wrong category.

The Report Team relocated the image to the correct category.

The Report Team disqualified the image and removed it from the Weekly Challenge contest.

I disqualify all other images that do not fit the Weekly Challenge rules at the end of the week.

I disqualify the images before the awards are given out.

Only photos that meet the qualifications laid out on the blog announcement are considered for the final prizes.
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"The Report Team relocated the image to the correct category"
You mean to another category as I think we can establish it broke no rules of the category in which I had placed it.

"I disqualify all other images that do not fit the Weekly Challenge rules at the end of the week"

This approach is fundamentally flawed as it leads to pictures that should not be in a category taking votes from pictures that are correctly categorised
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Can expect all pictures containing food to be disqualified?

Food & Drink - If you can eat it or drink it put it here. Also if photos of the preparation of food and drink. Subcategories: Alcohol & Drinks; Eating; Cooking & Baking; Fruits & Vegetables; Plated Food; Ingredients
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http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

Sitting in 8th place in the contest when it isn't even a still life.
Best leave it until the end of the contest before disqualifying it eh just to make sure it robs as many legitimate pictures of votes as possible.

How on earth does this picture warrant a score of 700?
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this is the definition of still life posted by pixoto.... under artistic objects.. then sub category of still life....

cut and pasted here... "The still life subcategory can be used when there are two or more objects in an unnatual setting as the subject. "

so that must mean to qualify as still life.. you have to have two different objects in a unnatural setting... so a car is only one object.. is that why it was recategorized ?... or am I missing another definition? (I admit I did not read the rules for the still life weekly challenge, maybe the answer lies in there?)...
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I think you will find a car is actually many thousands of objects.
In the case of the one I posted it was located in a white room; rather an unnatural setting for a car.

The reason it was disqualified is because Pixoto have another category for cars and it seems that no overlapping of categories is permitted.
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ok. I just went and read the rules for the weekly challenge and the answer of why it was recategorized was in the rules.... (by the way.. it is a wonderful photo.. but you needed to throw something into the picture ... lay a rose or something on it...lol)

.... it only had one object in it... still life requires there to be more than one object etc...! rule is below

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Rules:

The photo must be an image with a clearly identifiable theme of “Still Life” and and fit into the Artistic Objects – Still Life sub-category.

Still life images must contain several different types of objects such as flowers in a vase with oranges and books, or stones stacked with incense and flowers.

The Still Life Sub-Category

The photo must be added to the Pixoto Market
Improperly categorized images will be re-categorized and disqualified
Image quality (through ImageDuel) will determine the winner. In other words... the better image will determine the winner not the better concept.
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This is not why is was recategorised. It was simply that no overlapping of categories is permitted. That is to say if your picture will fit into any other category then as far as Pixoto is concerned it isn't a still life
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Another problem is that Pixoto use their own weird definition of still life that does not really align with that of the generally understood definition used within the art world
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I'm sorry for the confusion that this challenge, and the addition of the Still Life subcategory in general, has caused.

I think there was a miscommunication between Sherry and I that exacerbated the situation. Still Life must have multiple objects in it in an unnatural setting. They can all be natural, or unnatural but there must be more than one type of object.

Essentially the Still Life subcategory (like the Other subcategories) is meant as a place for photos that DO NOT FIT somewhere else.

The chess set is just one type of item (Toys and Games). It won't be recategorized (because it is in the right category: Artistic Objects) but it will be DQ'd because it is not "still life" and does not fit with the theme of the challenge.

A car fits perfectly in the transportation section. All photos that have the subject of cars have to go there (unless they are in mobile or novice). Not only does it not belong in the category, but IMHO, it does not fit with the theme of the challenge because the theme of still life is not clearly identifiable.

A photo of a bunch of fruit should be in Food & Drink.

I hope this helps.
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Whilst I agree that a car fits perfectly in Transport, I believe it also meets the requirement of still life but anyway lets not flog this to death lol.

I think that on the whole it might be better simply to have a challenge category.
Allow one week for submissions followed by a week of duels.

I appreciate that whilst the DQs and recategorisations will take place at the end of the week would you please make an exception for this.

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

It is in no way still life and it seems to have attained a ridiculously high score for such a mediocre snapshot and is therefore taking votes from legitimate entries
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The image has been moved to Animals - Birds.
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Thank you

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