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Just had a couple of photographs of sunsets reported for being "off topic".

They were both moved to "Buidlings/Architecture".

If the majority of the image and the whole impact of the photograph is the sunset itself, why would someone report. It was the same person who reported both and I would rather not make up my own conclusion as to why ;)

https://www.pixoto.com/images-photogr...

Being one example.

I am just wanting an explanation for future submissions. I wondering whether to submit one of my photographs of a flying fish to be moved to animals/fish or animals/birds ;)

Steve
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Steve, I followed the link that you posted and took a look at your image. I love the concept of shooting the sun. That said, I know why it was moved. More than 20% of your image was a man-made objects. The category description page states that no more than 20% of an image entered in landscape may be a man-made object, person or animal. (I would have copied the exact description for you. but apparently the link to that page is not working at the moment.) If you had backed off the gun so that more of the sunset was showing with a much smaller looking gun, then it would have qualified for landscapes. Since the gun is more than 20% of the image, it cannot be in landscapes no matter how beautiful the sunset is. 

Pixoto relies on users to report when someone believes an image is in the wrong category. It doesn't matter who made the report. That person does not move the image. A Pixoto employee agreed with the person who made the report and the Pixoto employee moved the image to what they believe is the proper category. If the Pixoto reviewer disagrees with the report, the image will not be moved.

I have no idea whether or not I am the person you mentioned as making the report. I can tell you that I regularly report images while I am voting if I think they are in the wrong category. Since I am voting, I do not know whose image it is. My only motive is to keep things fair. Occasionally, I will report one from the leaderboard if it clearly is in the wrong category. My motive is always fairness. I don't care whose image it is, if it is in the wrong category it should be moved. Often images entered in the wrong category have an unfair advantage over others in that category. If the image wins an award, that means someone else's image was denied an award that they should have gotten. 

Now I have a question for you. How do you know who made the report? Is Pixoto sharing that information when they notify you that the image was moved? That really concerns me. While I believe many users will continue to vote fairly, I suspect others would hold a grudge and vote down images submitted by the person who reported them. I won't make any more reports if Pixoto is sharing my name as the reporter. That's too bad, so many people do not bother to read the category descriptions and have no idea that flowers and insects do not qualify for Nature Up Close unless they are covered with water drops. Adults are not allowed to be part of the image for Babies and Children, etc., etc., etc. There will be even less consistency than ever before if Pixoto does not monitor the feeds and members don't want to make reports due to fear of retaliation.

BTW, Pixoto doesn't move images from sub-categories so you can enter your flying fish in animals/fish or animals/birds without fear of having it moved. Lol.
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Thank you SweetNana, you are correct, image was recategorized because it didn't comply with your category description (more than 20% of image is man-made object).
I already informed Scott about Blog pages issue.
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Many thanks indeed SweetNana on your detailed explanation on the reason. I had totally overlooked the 20% part and focused instead on the "ambience" of the photograph. I have been away from Pixoto for a fair while so still playing catchup on changes while I have been dabbling on other photo sharing sites. And absolutely zero offence taken, it was me at fault for not adhering to the 20% rule and for that I truly apologise :)
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ps .... I was teasing about the flying fish ;)
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I knew that you were JK about the flying fish.  :-)
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As long as we’re talking about the 20% rule for architecture, I suggest you guys get your rulers out when making this determination. I have had three photos re-categorized because of this pesky 20% clause when the “building” in question was nowhere near 20%, and not the focal point of the photo, in my opinion.
I had one other sunset pic taken from inside a boat dock where the only part of the structure that was visible was a metal pole, and it was moved to buildings and architecture.

Regardless...right now the blog is not working; your link you sent me to read the category descriptions isn’t working. If people can’t read the descriptions, it’ll be difficult to know if they’re in the right or the wrong. Thanks.
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That is so not fair :(

It is a fine line between rules vs pettiness.

Unsurprisingly, I have rarely ventured on the site in recent months because of this as I don't want to upset anyone by posting in the wrong category. And I used to love this site so much.

I get the fact that photo submissions stand a chance of winning a prize and many years ago I have been fortunate enough to win. However it is almost getting to a point where people are overly protecting their own submissions and reporting anything that strays "close" to the guidelines.

I post photos in the hope someone gets enjoyment and draws inspiration from them. When you get to a stage of that is "bordering" on the wrong category then for me, it has lost it's purpose. Bit like grammar checking someone.

Sorry peeps, I don't want to stir a hornets nest here but I only want to share photos.

Perhaps a category "No I don't want any prizes but look at the nice photo" ;)

Steve Bowden RO FRAS JP
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Hello Steve, there is Uncategorized category where users can post all photographs regardless of the subject (except digital art and illustrations). Just don't select any category when you submit your images and they'll be published in Uncategorized category.
I hope this helps.
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Hello Jennifer, we do apologize for blog pages not working, I already send this issue to our tech. The rule is not only that man-made object must be less than 20% of the image, but it must not dominate over the landscape.
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So, Jasenka, what would your opinion have been on my two examples I posted here?
My opinion is that the man made objects add to the aesthetics “subject” of the picture. They are clearly the landscape...Mountains, trees, etc. and a beautiful Arkansas sunset...
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Janiffer, I'm a community manager, not report team member. As a user (not Pixoto representative) I can tell you then when I check your images my eyes are drawn to house and pier first.
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Jennifer, I would not have reported either of those images myself. If you strongly disagree with the move, you can use this site to plead your case to the Report Team. I once had an image removed for being too similar. When I pointed out major differences between the two images, mine was re-instated. I've never argued about a category change, though I did disagree with a few (just not enough to complain). Still, I think you could plead your case if you feel strongly that it was moved incorrectly. The Report Team is comprised of humans. Sometimes they make mistakes. Good luck.
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Sorry for the repetition, I was trying to revise my comment and it wasn't working correctly. Maybe my third try will be the charm.  
Jennifer, I would not have reported either of those images myself, because they are close calls in my opinion. I agree with Jasenka that my eye is drawn to the boat house in the second image. If you strongly disagree with the move, you can use this site to plead your case to the Report Team. I once had an image removed for being too similar. When I pointed out major differences between the two images, mine was re-instated. I've never argued about a category change, though I did disagree with a few (just not enough to complain). Still, I think you could plead your case if you feel strongly that it was moved incorrectly. The Report Team is comprised of humans. Sometimes they make mistakes. Good luck.

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If it comes to a point where you have to "appeal" in order to get a second opinion on your submitted category then personally, I feel the whole purpose is lost. When you have people subconsciously measuring images to make sure they confirm to the 20% or whatever, then this approach totally takes away the joy of sharing photos for others. If I go out to capture a sunset then for me, the sunset is what it is all about. If there is a building in the frame so be it, the sunset itself is the photographers goal and that ought to be taken into account. I am on several different photography sites. When I upload photos it is to share the moment for others, answer questions they may raise, share location and exif data. I have never experienced anything this rigid elsewhere and if rules like this are going to be strictly enforced (as I now believe they are becoming that way), then it will spoil it for Pixoto and that will be a huge shame as I have promoted Pixoto considerably over the years. Last year I was lucky enough to have a selection of my photographs put onto stamps which required Royal approval. Her Majesty the Queen never commented on the 20% rule and imho, she trumps Pixoto. I'm going to take a break for a month or several. Please don't ruin what was an incredible site.

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