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Hi All - we've been listening to your feedback and are trying to make Pixoto a more fun and interesting place for photographers and image buyers alike. One issue that we're trying to address is that some subjects are over represented on Pixoto. While these photos may be great in their own right - it can become tiring to see so many versions of essentially the same thing. We are planning on banning some over-represented subject based on member feedback.

What subjects would you like to see temporarily (6-12 months) banned from Pixoto?

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The lilies, and the train rail from Thailand.
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+1 (survey taken)
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all the categories, to be fair. And then make new categories again. Just suggesting!
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Ronnel Masangkay

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All the categories, to be fair. And then make new categories. Just suggesting!
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Done, and thank you!
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Done, good idea Jason.
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done Thanks for being PRO active!!
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Done, thanks
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Thank you and while I applaud the idea, wouldn't it just be easier to enforce the similar image rule with a little less leniency? It is clear that it is a handful of repeat offenders and everybody here knows who they are and I have only been here for 3 weeks, so if I know, then you all must know.
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We have evaluated the rule. And while we could certainly change it to make it more stringent we have not come up with a definition that wouldn't have the problem of also penalizing people who are not causing problems. Do you have a suggestion of a new rule that would both keep away very repetitive images while still giving people the freedom to submit multiple interpretations of the same subject/scene?
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I have seen it suggested that you have a limit on the amount of shots that you can enter in any given category within a certain period of time. Like maybe no more than 5 per category per week. That might do the trick to at least limit it a bit.
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FYI Jason Viewbug only allows 10 yes 10 uploads per week for free accounts. just sayin...
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Some weeks I enter more than others! And sometimes, only one or two to a category--sometimes, if for example, I have visited a salvage yard--then I enter lots of old cars in transportation for that week. I am pretty "diverse" in the categories I have entered. I do like the freedom to enter what and when I wish! BUT I do not like to see so many of the same flower from the same person, same whatever with very very slight differences entered. And then of course, the rest of us get wiped out! LOL But it does make me try harder, for sure!! Sometimes even with the descriptions of the categories--I have to figure out which category an image fits best--and twice my images have been "re-categorized" by the administration. That is just what happens! And it is not an earth shattering moment! I entered Pixoto originally, to work to improve my own work and because I enjoyed looking at the images from everywhere.
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This is a nice idea but not creative idea and i think most members will reacted negatively. Those people who want this ideas are the lazy togs.

Just limit the subjects in each sub-category not the main category.
Example: Category
Flowers: Flower arrangement 100 a year limit.
flower garden 100 a year limit
single flower 100 a year limit
flower in the wild 100 a year limit

do the same with other sub category. But i's up to you to limit, this is only my example and idea
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I just hate to have anything "banned"--as one of you guys above said, sorry-it got a bit confusing! lol--when those flowers are out of season, you move on to something else. So do I! What is wrong with that? We shoot what we can, what is available, what we travel to shoot, whatever!!! And in the meantime, we hopefully hone our skills and improve our own work! I frankly don't really care who gets the most points--and while it does get a tad depressing to be constantly beat out by the same images over and over again--it does make me work harder! I do like variety--and my page reflects that for sure! :)
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By the way, I do not like the idea of limiting the number of entries to any particular subject--as Charlie said above! I don't want to have to quit entering flowers, for example, half way through June if I happened to have reached a 100 flower limit of some sort! Ugh!! I don't like math that well... ;) And that might make a lot of folks drop out. Another example might be those who enter the wedding category--if they are wedding photogs, why should they be limited to just 100 wedding pics a year?? Yeesh! Way to kill the site quickly!! Even if you "allow: 100 in each of the subcategories--I know I don't want to have to keep track of that, and the algorithm for a computer program to count that, on top of every other program built in to this site might crash it!
I'd miss Pixoto!!
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Karen - the issue is that a group of togs who admittedly go out together and shoot the same darn flowers over and over and over with absolutely no variation whatsoever. To plague the site with hundred of purple lilies with water droplets every days is just plain irritating.....Its not *flowers* it's ONE flower - over and over and over and over..........
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Dawn F-P, don't look at the flowers that irritating you, don't vote for them and don't look at their profiles. These are just irritating you. Its simple! Water lilies in a lake grow differently and you can see water liliies in different locations. Photographers go out sometimes but not all the time because they have different work to do.
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Well--I would love to have some one to go out and shoot with!! And even if several folks take the same subject--everyone's vision should be different. However, it is limited if it is one small flower... lol And I wish there were some water lilies near me...guess I'll go buy some roses and spray them with water and shoot! Oh, I am just being sarcastic--I realize that, Dawn. I am just against limiting the number of entries for any one person--if a group of people enter the same subject, at least it is all different people! All we can do is our own very level best. And hey--while I'm out shooting, think I'll go find an "Indian bonnet" to use...which I find odd as I am Native! ;) SOMEBODY is voting on those flowers--and we can't vote on our own images!! so maybe it's the people who belong to the site's fault?? :) I vote on the image I prefer, the quality I see. Don't care what the subject is!!! And I am packing a water bottle in my camera bag when the weather improves...
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Done -- and good idea. Thanks for asking for our feedback!
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Subjects are over represented on Pixoto, are you kidding? If I were a world traveler I would have a huge selection on subjects for you. Most people take pictures of the subjects around them. Some people live near lakes, oceans, seas and take beautiful waterscapes that I never get tired of seeing because I never get to those places. Some people take beautiful landscapes where they live and I never get tired of seeing them. II love seeing the photos of peoples pets and I never tire of seeing these. Some people take pictures of big cats, beautiful animals and I never tire of looking at them. When you have contests I never tire of the same subject matter in every photograph.
If you have people complaining about the photos, tell them to go somewhere else. They just like to complain about something. If they don't like my photos don't go to my site and look at them. They are not dueled that often so if they are complaining they are going to my site. Everyone has different taste and there is no right or wrong. A clear sharp photograph with good composition should be voted for against a blurry photo (in a perfect world). Unfortunately people want the points so they can use them so they don't pick the best photograph or they accidentally click on a photo. It happens. Unfortunately competition can bring out the worst in some people.
I know I can't compete with some of these professional photographers but when I look at their work it makes me work harder to get better. I may never reach their proficiency but it won't be from a lack of trying.
As for subject matter being banned.................that could mean the best photograph never being seen. The negativity of the action of banning photographs because of someone complaining about not liking the same subject matter is ridiculous. If they don't like it, don't look at it. If you don't like the subject matter in a book, don't read it. If you don't like the subject matter of a magazine, don't look at it. Don't look at the same model wearing different dresses just because it's the same model. I could go on but I am properly talking to the wind.
All of this is just my opinion and who am I? Thanks you if you read it all.
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Charlie, I probably report more than most other users. I think the temporary banning of certain over-exposed topics is an excellent idea and is in line with how all other stock photography sites operate. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this.
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No problem with this Lenore coz we're just contributors and pixoto has the final say. The problem is with one new contributor/photographer who wants to ban lilies FROM Thailand. Why pin point a certain place?...I also haven't heard or see any client complaining of over represented subjects. Those who complain about duplicates/similar pix are those contributors who expects their photos to be on top but couldn't make it and this new member is one of them so he tries to police some tog's profile.
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100% agree with Sue
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I also agree with what Sue said, and said so well! Pixoto was not designed to be just a stock photo site--that is an addition to the site! I would hate to have anything 'banned' from the site, because some one would indeed be hurt or quit contributing, even though I do get tired of some of the subjects, that is a small issue compared to the benefit of seeing so many wonderful things!
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Nice one Sue... excellent!
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Well put Sue. I agree.
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Nice and great opinion Sue. The problem is the people not the beautiful and nice subjects that togs are submitting everyday. And people complain because there is a competition involve that's why members complain when they don't win. There must be a sportsmanship in here.
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You know, Charlie, whenever I come across one of your (and your friends) waterlillies in a duel, I vote for the OTHER picture, or if it's bad, I skip the duel.. I have voted for your lillies when I first came to this site, but now I'm so fed up of them that I ignore them completely. If many people start doing this because they have enough of lillies to last a lifetime, then your photos won't be the best any longer, will they?
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That is bad, down voting! But we cannot stop you, that is your right and your freedom.
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Jason you just had been listening to few members of the site regarding this matter.
How many members you've got thousands and listen to them through their work.
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Jason, you can count how many of them are complaining but I don't know if you can count how many of the photographers are having fun and enjoying Pixoto and focusing their works.
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If this is just a stock photography site why do they have the contests and give a rule that the pictures have to be entered in Pixoto. This makes me think it is more than just one thing.
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I've been here for 2 years. When i first join no stock only competition. you know it's the team strategy of a business wherein we are all involve. Once you sign up here your involve.
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The contests are designed so that, supposedly, the top photos on the site rise to the top and so, when potential clients are looking at the Leaderboard, they will see those photos first.

This is from Pixoto's "About Us" page:
"Submitted images are matched against each other in the ImageDuel system and voted on by other community members. The winners advance on the Image Leaderboards and vie for the coveted top spot. By surfacing the best images to the top of the Leaderboard, Pixoto hopes to be the place to find the highest-quality photographs in any given subject."
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In my experience here images that are on top does mean the best. It is only a representation of you as a tog so that when people wants to buy stock they can easily access to your profile through your top image. some of my images have very high scores but no one buys them but people buy some of my photos with low scores. You see it depends what people need. so we have to submit many photos as long that it's not against the rule of Pixoto.
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I agree.
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I agree!
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The logic of having this kind of rule has already been seen by Pixoto, that's why Jason is asking us to identify those images based on own our judgment. Surely it's not the end of the world. Time to get out of the swamp and move towards the river or towards the sea.
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percentage wise your profile is also flooded withe roses 15 to be exact out of 51 pix...it's also Time for you to get out of the swamp and move towards the river or towards the sea.
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As one of the new whiners, let me be clear. This site is advertised as a competitive site and has posted rules. If it did not have any rules, so be it, post whatever and as many similar shots as you want to, although you probably would then not attract many good photographers. Since it does have rules and offers cash incentives as well as a points reward system that allows you to be higher in rankings and therefore more likely to have your work seen and perhaps purchased, then the rules should be expected to be enforced. When people constantly post very similar or even duplicate items, sometimes even under multiple names, it dilutes everyone else's work. If you are only here to admire other people's work then have fun and enjoy it, but for those that want to get an honest assessment of our ability by comparing it to others and hoping for chance at either selling our work or perhaps being rewarded for it by winning contests, well we expect it to at least be somewhat fair. Clearly more than a few highly rewarded photogs on here achieved their rankings by very dishonest methods and it certainly is a factor in discouraging other talent from participating.
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You're right but i think Pixoto is enforcing the rules they're just slow enforcing it.
and anyway in every rules there are always a violator.
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I see they are making a concerted effort to improve things, that is why I am giving it a chance. Asking people to refrain from saturating the site with too many similar images makes perfect sense both for those of us that want to take it seriously as well as from a business perspective. If you are a prospective buyer, you want variety, not 45 versions of vanilla.
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But Garces made a big mistake by saying he wanted that lilies and railway tracks FROM Thailand be banned.
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Edson, don't act like you don't understand...it's not a personal attack on Thailand, but it's a fact that the people saturating this site with those darn lillies ARE a bunch of friends/relatives from Thailand.
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I don't understand why Garces want to ban lillies and bridges from Thailand???..what's wrong with that?.
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Done

There's a category exclusively for cats and dogs: Do they belong to over represented subject?
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thank you for the chance to give our opinion
one thing that may help flesh out the other categories is the pixoto weekly challenge, create a challenge for the least used category that week
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Heres what i put up just the other day.....this is how silly its getting.

Echo's Top 5 Tips to Achieve 700+ Image Score

Echo's Top 5 Tips to get 700+ Image Score

Hey guys, here's my top 5 tips to get 700+ Image Score here at Pixoto.

1: Find two children, get a bucket of water & tell one of them that the other stole their sweets. Get your camera ready & fire away as the battle commences.

2: Find yourself a Water Lily....don't forget your water spray bottle. Take your photo.....Open it in Photoshop....over saturate it so it looks like something from Avatar, Blur the background so much that it looks like its resting on melted candle wax & post.

3: Find yourself a very pretty girl, Keep her eyes sharp & apply so much dynamic skin softener to the face so that she looks like a glass doll with makeup, Don't ask her to smile as she may shatter. Oh...if you want an extra 30-50 points.....Just buy yourself an Indian head dress.

4: Find yourself an old Steel Railway Bridge. make sure its sunset. Oversaturate the image in photoshop so it resembles a Nuclear dawn. Dont set up your tripod on the railway tracks unless its insured.

5: Take a trip down to your local Fish & Tackle shop, buy yourself a multicoloured net & throw it over some unsuspecting trout.

If any of the above fail to achieve you your desired score. Find an alleyway & take 100 photos.
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yes yes yes lol i think i am going to get some colored pencils and straws as well
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this is great..i like it Echo..you nailed the right point of pain..kudos..#Jason here is your answer..
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oh Echo...lol... you are echoing my thoughts. I thought of a similar post months ago, I'm just not sure I was bold enough to post it here...but maybe I did...
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Echo, you are really an echo!
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Amol Verma, they have pain killers, their beautiful photos! he he he
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Heres another problem Edson.

You won the Accolade of 7th Photographer in "Buildings & Architecture" for the year 2013............

The way it works it....Pixoto takes your top 10 images in that category & calculates the average image score.

So 7th huh....out of 18,562 members.......thats fantastic huh. ?.

Not really......you won that accolade with two different subjects.

The Mosque & the railway bridge.....that won you 7th place. Two subjects......lol seriously. To me thats farsical.

Oh hey buddy....im not saying this is your fault. You didnt give yourself the award. So im not blaming you....not entirely. I find it slightly strange you would post so many images of the same thing....but your choice hey.

So....the words "Over Representation" Sums this up perfectly.
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you just proved my point.
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The way I see it is that's it's not necessarily one togs profile over represented with 2 or 3 different types of pics but when there is a group of togs that have an over representation of those 2 or three types of pics. It does get a bit stale.

I saw Charlie write that he enjoys photographing the same things. Look at his profile, there are some other great pics there.
He is obviously a talented photographer that is able to apply his ability in other genres, he will probably say I am wrong but I feel it's just easier for him to go back to the tried and tested that give him the results he is after. That's why I was questioning him what he meant by the "Lazy tog" remark.

I shoot alone, what that does is let me decide what and how I want to shoot. I think it's good that you go out as a family/friends/club or whatever and shoot but I would feel that creativity is lost when there needs to be consensus about what to shoot and I would suspect how to shoot it. Obviously that leads to same pics, more or less for all.

That's my two cents worth.
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Mark how i wish we can go anywhere to shoot together but we're far from each other. You know we have a name we call it "HOPE Hatyai Outdoor Photography Enthusiasts" that's why sometimes we have similar subjects 'cuz we go out together every Sunday we even sometimes wear our uniform, but we do our own things on weekdays. And now i'm not in Hatyai anymore where my group are i'm now in Phuket 7 hrs. away from them
but we continue going out every time i visited them but sadly we are not complete sometimes. Hope that people stop envying us whatever negative feelings they have toward us when they happen to read this.
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I'm sure there are many other beautiful things to photograph.......and I'm sure many people would love to see some individuality and creativity. There are so many things in the nature and in urban life that make for good composition. You can grow as togs in your own right by developing new skills with new subjects rather than producing carbon copy images. Build yourselves a good reputation by showing you can do that - it's a big wide world out there - why not use you lens to show what else you have to offer? Thinking outside the box can really be a good thing.......
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Dawn F-P, they are creative, that is why they have different beautiful photos. Look at their profiles again! Or if you are irritating to see their photos, don't look at their photos, don't vote for their photos and don't look anymore to their profiles or to the leaderboard. Just wait your award!
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Instead of banning images how about a new category?.... Cliché Subjects
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Sue, it was a tongue in cheek comment...
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So was my comment...
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:-)
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good idea
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agree
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I don't like the words "banned" or "banning". You have photographers of many levels putting their photographs on Pixoto. You have invited us to join Pixoto an online community where photographers compete to have the best images in their category. To Quote Pixoto: "How do I get more Points (and more exposure in the directory)?
It’s pretty simple – just consistently submit lots of great images.
Q: What kind of Photos can be submitted to Pixoto Stock?
Almost any photo. Please see our contributor guidelines for details.
Pixoto Stock and Print Submission Guidelines

Image Properties

Images must be at least 4 million pixels. To calculate the number of pixels multiply the width times height of the image in pixels.
Images must not be upsized
Images must be correctly exposed and in focus
We accept .jpgs or .pngs only
Images must have a title, description and at least 5 keywords/tags
No watermarks (including any text or date embedded in the image)
No noisy, dusty or scratched images
NO VERY SIMILAR IMAGES: Only one image of any subject and scene/pose combination is allowed (e.g. either b/w or color - not both). Same shot from multiple angles is NOT OK.

Wouldn't it be better to ask the person breaking the rule to stop, but do it nicely.
EX: We appreciate you putting you photographs on our site. If you could refrain from submitting very similar photographs we would appreciate you working with us making the site fun for everyone.
Something like that.
Please appreciate that we all use your site.
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Sue, I believe Pixoto has tried that approach. Unfortunately there's a small number of togs who constantly push the rules to the limit. Some just flat out cheat.

I do question why Pixoto needs to ban subject matter. The subject matter is not the issue. It's the togs entering images that push the similar images rule to the limit. Banning subject matter is just going to create a new set of overrepresented images. There is already a rule for similar images. Tighten up the rule definition and enforce it at the tog level.
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hitting the nail on the head there!
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It would be so great if we could rid the site of redundancy. However, I can't think that banning a specific flower, set of rails, species of duck, etc. is the solution. Perhaps if voters would stop being so predictable, the photographers would start being a little more versatile.
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After reading all this I decided life's to short and I am going to enjoy what I am doing. This is all too negative and pointless.
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hahahaha... LOL , agree with you sue... "enjoy what I am doing " ... yes !
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I have to say that IF I would happen to get a lovely shot of a dahlia, and some one else has already posted about three hundred dahlias themselves, but it is my first really great shot of one--do I want it "banned" because that type of image is banned for awhile--whatever awhile is... and as for posting shot of water lilies--if that is all someone has near them, then that is what they will shoot! I shoot the flowers in my own garden, and love to travel to see different things, but sometimes all I have to shoot is what I HAVE!! And sometimes it seems as if all I have are sunflowers--yes, I have a lot of images of sunflowers on my page--BUT they are all different!! Different angles, lighting, heck--each sunflower IS different! I do enjoy what I am doing! And love to look at everyone's photographs--it has certainly improved and inspired me to try more and to work harder. And sometimes, gives me ideas for my own work. The idea of 'banning' a subject is not a happy idea!

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