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In order to keep the Pixoto site fresh and interesting we will sometimes ask that our members refrain from submitting certain types of images.

Current Site Wide images we will not be accepting on new submissions (starting October 16th, 2014):

- close-ups of water lilies with water drops

- close-ups of a single rose with water drops

- non-native american women wearing native american head dresses

- photos of the columns at Sheikh Zayed Grand Mosque in Abu Dhabi

- this railway bridge photographed from a similar angle to the one in this shot: http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
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David and Will - Charlie is nothing but a sad internet troll who enjoys winding people up. The image he uploaded is over a year old. He and his buddies enjoy getting a rise out of people and are just in it "for the win" at any cost, including cheating/circumventing the rules. For him and his cronies it's a game - there is no talent or individuality, just a bunch of sad people who have mastered the art of Photoshop, and love milking the system. This is easy cash for them - they should be pitied not blamed.

I do think if Pixoto stopped awarding cash they would not even be here.......
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Um I just noticed there is a Cormorant challenge....here's the thing...the moderator has 19 of his own images in the challenge...how fair is that?

http://www.pixoto.com/challenges/corm...

If you are going to set up a challenge you shouldn't be putting your own images in it...but allowing others to show off their work in that catagory...

Maybe I'm wrong here, but that is my opinion.
As for me...I can never seem to break the 600 mark for image scores..and if I do it doesn't stay long...very frustrating...no repetative images either...some same species but completely different shots. My thought is take your best of the best shot use it and only it...that way your not over loading with to many of the same thing.

It is getting very frustrating for me and almost makes me want to give up...always doing poorly while some one else submits something that isn't that great but they soar to the top fast.

If you are a great photographer..make room for the up and coming folks...give them a chance to improve and ya win one here and there..
Remember..you where first starting out once too...you know how it felt when you tried and had to learn...

I agree with what someone said along the way....if you win a high rank award...stop posting..and give room for someone else for a while.
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About that challenge...Sue, you might not know this yet, but that moderator is only interested in one thing: showing off how GREAT he is (or at least thinks he is). You can bet he will win that challenge and then brag about it some more...that's what he loves doing. He will also remind everyone that he has been taking photos since he was in the cradle and that his picture is being published in some book or other. Yawn.
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well then they should delete the challenge all together...somehow there is no fairness to that. I would enter that challenge but what's the sense when you see 28 out of 49 of his own images in it...I can't compete or compare to those..
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Hello Sue, if Judge's Award will be chosen by Pixoto Voters then moderator can enter his own images into the challenge.

If the moderator is choosing Judge's Award, then he can not participate in the challenge.

I hope this helps.
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Moderators get credits for running a challenge I believe. One huge complaint about Pixoto is that they are totally hands off when it comes to moderators - they don't monitor the challengers, and don't want to. A lot of people don't bother entering them to be honest, since it can be a huge waste of credits and quite frustrating.
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Legal but rather sad that someone would do that.
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ok I understand how it works better...however...yes a little sad...personally I would not enter my own images into my own challenge...seems a bit self righteous
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Cormorant challenge??? Yippeeee. I have about 20 cormorant shots!!!!
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Sue, Cailin is right about this particular photographer. And I've counted 40-50 of his images entered into other challenges. He purchases points and with so many entries, he can't help but win a number of 5%,10% and 20% challenge awards. His work is so overly processed I don't understand why he gets so many votes. I think the number of entries in all challenges should be limited to say maximum 5 or 10 entries per person.
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yes i agree with that completely.
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I just counted 28 out of 53 entries are the moderator's photos.
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This particular member is also very quick to point out others who he thinks enter or run challenges incorrectly.
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then cancel the challenge and be gone with him....simple
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One moderates a challenge not to show off but to create a collection of images with a purpose. While the serious image duels are happening, this is just the fun part. But that doesn't mean that it need be without proper monitoring..

In a challenge, the entries put in by the moderator is only as good as any other entries.. A moderator has absolutely zero influence or power to control the image duels in a challenge. He is an onlooker just as others. If he chooses to decides to choose the final award, then he cannot put in his entry also. Actually its only some work without any reward. If look at the comments section of some challenges, you know how tough this job at times can be ! Agree that he will get come credit points in relation with the no. of entries. But for most challenges the no of entries never go beyond even 1000. Many had got bashed up by toughies for misunderstanding the challenge concept himself or because he did not even read the challenge stipulations.. So after all the hard work and daily monitoring I do not think credit points is of great attraction.. You can easily earn that much credit points much much easier..

So its all about a concept you have in mind and the happiness of seeing a collection of images related to that. Or even it can be a collection of quality images as in the case of 700 club or Judge's Awards challenge. ( Frankly speaking, i still do not know the reason for a 400 to 500 challenge!!)

Having said all these, I will not say the challenges are carried out in a sensible manner always..There are many frustrating challenges as well.. Pls look at this link...
http://www.pixoto.com/challenges/viol...

Restricting the no. of entries can be considered for every participant including the moderator..

Finally the challenges are here because the normal Pixoto image duels can be at times funny, hilarious and even quite frustrating ,, So the members finds some solace in getting some badges for their images even if it Top 20%.. It provides an opportunity to keep himself motivated..
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wow...that one is a little much if I do say so....
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Actually to some your remarks may be true, to others not so. Some love to earn awards to boast how good they are and how many awards they have. And one way of doing that is to start a challenge and then saturate it with their entries therefore guaranteeing themselves more awards.
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And the funny thing is that the theme of the contest asks for a concrete background! I couldn't find that in any of the winning entries Sue..

Dear Terry, I may have to agree ,, Even that happens... I think we should stipulate that the images put in by the moderator should not be in No1 to No,10 positions in any contest.. If it qualifies to that bracket, then the next in the line should get it pushing this image to the Top 5% slot..
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Someone like that should clearly not be allowed to moderate - people waste huge amounts of credits on challenges like this - and if you look at the disqualified pics - one was a purple flower on concrete!!!! It really sours the way people view Pixoto.....
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The only solution that appears open at this point is to NOT enter any of the contests. Just occasionally submit a photo. That should solve it.
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Woodstock

Pixoto is a great site for photographers, however there is a small group of individuals that cause the majority of problems either by cheating, posting duplicates/similars, creating multiple accounts . In Pixoto's defense they are very quick in dealing with the blatant cheats and once identified they remove the profiles within a day. However Pixoto could be more robust in dealing individual togs that post the same type of image again and again. I have nothing against the individual subjects being photographed just the repetitiveness of the individual submissions.

http://www.pixoto.com/charlie777

200+ images of Lilys

http://www.pixoto.com/edson/recent

40 images of the same bridge
120+ images of Lilys

http://www.pixoto.com/germzki

40+ images of the bridge and temple
160+ images of lilys

http://www.pixoto.com/rakesh.syal.923

200+ images of wine glasses with a colored background
100 + images of colored cotton reels

http://www.pixoto.com/fakhruddin.usmani

70+ images of the same rusty faucet

http://www.pixoto.com/petarbotteri

70+ images of the same cobbled street

http://www.pixoto.com/joeladolfophoto...

100+ images of car light trails
60+ images of the same boat marina

http://www.pixoto.com/robert.cinega

175+ image of tigers at the same zoo

http://www.pixoto.com/vjeko.begovic

150 images of padlocks
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Thank you for the list Will, I will forward it to the management.
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Will official notification be sent to all members somehow? I am including this in my new challenges and referring if questions to look on community board?
As I read a few, a question came to mind... lol and when I remember what it was, I'll write again! lol sorry
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Hello Chery, if one member is asked to refrain from posting certain type of images, that member will get e-mail notification of it.
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Jasenka, I'm not sure that I understand all this well enough as I am learning.? thank you.
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Cheryl, I'm sorry that I was not clear. If we decide that we will ask only one user to refrain from submitting certain type of images, we will send e-mail notification to that user, not all users.
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What will happen if we opt not to enter challenges but just submit photos? How will that work? How could those photos be challenged?
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Hello David, you do not need to enter photo in challenges. They will still get category duels.

I hope this helps.
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And my apprehensions about this rule is right, no reporting, no action. Bottom line, no manpower to implement this rule. You let these won awards, and deprived others.

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
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Thank you for reporting Garces, I have forwarded to report team to be handled.
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I'm unemotional about all this....but if one person has only one red rose with water posted, that photo shouldn't be removed.
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I agree with Barbara , its the repeat offenders that need to be dealt with, those who are or have posted many similar shots. Those posting for the first time should not be punished.
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Whats this typography thing in Digital art ? From the date I joined Pixoto I've seen more than a thousand Letter "C" and variants thereof !! Its till going on strong ! And the amazing thing is that many such C's have 700 plus and 600 plus scores !!

Similarly there are some patterns that are repetitive.. Kindly see the link and scroll down a bit , you would see what it looks like ,, This is just for 20 days..
http://www.pixoto.com/images-illustra...

May be everything is part of the package and thats why we always say "hard earned" credit points ! :-)
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Thank you Anoop, I will forward to the management.
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Thanks Jasenka.. Pixoto is definitely getting into a better place now
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but why ;
- photos of the columns at Sheikh Zayed Grand Mosque in Abu Dhabi ?
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my question is same as Anoop Namboothiri
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Hello Lalaji, photos of the columns at Sheikh Zayed Grand Mosque in Abu Dhabi are over-represented subject and for now we will not be accepting them.
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thanks for responding. Got it.
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Hello
So, I ́m new to all this and just begin to read through this forum and browse some profiles and portfolios. To my amazement some are really loaded with nearly the same pictures (tigers,eagles,lions,tigers,eagles,black and white the same tigers and eagles and the same lion again with mild hdr and heavy hdr. The same for some flower specialists and cats enthusiasts. The pattern is always the same. Color-picture, black and white the same picture, hdr, heavy hdr. Sometimes they do this to the same picture, sometimes the pictures are a blink of an eye different. Look at the animal contest that was closed to entry yesterday, there are so many similar pictures and they are all of the same contributor, I nearly can ́t believe it. It ́s a bit annoying, but as it seems it is the normal way this site works.
Now I read this post and feel a bit unsure, what to think about it. Same,same,same pictures get voted the highest hights, the contributors honored and famed, nothing happened to lessen their double picture mania, but the final result is limiting regular contributors in their choice of pictures. Hm? So? Seems a bit unfair to me and looks like a two class system.
My very first upload was...tadaaaaa...a pink rose with some waterdrops. Not very closeup, but close...I didn ́t know about the "ban" and it is indeed my only rose on my profile. It went pretty well for a first upload, earning a 20% badge.
Am I enforced to take it down now and loose my points with it, while the leaderboard leaders load up the same pictures again and again??

Greetz and have a good time,
Chris
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Hello Christiane, for now we will not accept any new images from any member of subjects we have listed here. Please do remove image that show subject we will not accept at this point.
We do have no very similar image policy - if it is same subjects, same scene/pose then images are very similar images, if either subject and/or scene pose changes images are not very similar.
User can also submit one color version and one black and white version of same image if black and white version has been submitted to Black and white category.

I hope this helps.
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yeah Christiane, the only people that really get penalized are the ones that are new or that are trying to keep a varied portfolio... the ones who caused the problem just sit back and gather points and their old images deny new images progress. It would make more sense if 2 year old images weren't allowed to duel against recent uploads.
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Amen to the 2 year limit.
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agree with that hands down Joyce.
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totally agree
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Yup, and gone is the rose ;-) and the award with it, before I even got the chance to take it down myself. That was fast. The very similar pictures with same subjects, same poses in the same scene are still up and winning their awards... Maybe it is different, if the bald eagle turns his head in the same scene 5 centimeters to the right and a bit of zoom makes the scene dramatically different, I see. And when you take the whole picture, mirror it and do a little hdr to it, voila, a whole new shot. Change the clipping and the new picture will beat the old one in the duel. I gotta learn...or better, not. I will try to keep my portfolio varied. Thx
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I know how you feel like!
Few months back, long before all these restrictions came, i had shots of a pocket watch.. One was an original landscape shot with a particular lighting and the other was an original vertical with different light effect.. I only use natural lights and what i did was just to open the windscreen a bit more to allow more light in...
But alas one day Pixoto decided that some Tom Dick or Harry's suggestion of a repetitive image is quite relevant in this case and just robbed the image without notice after about 5 months of submission.. About 11 awards gone with it !!!
I complained and Jesenka said this is fair and added "I hope this helps" !! It definitely helped to see that the life as a Pixotian is perilous and merciless.. Have fun and take surprises as you go along...
After all this is just a site buddy not our Noah's Arch out of a deluge!
Have a great time Pixoting !!!! :-)
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Thank you Anoop :-) You are right, it ́s not the end of the world, but its against my feeling how fairness should be. Have a nice day or evening.
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I so know how you are feeling..... See my comment further down. Still - keep on photographing! :-)
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Got a question, if your submitting images of moving objects such as different airplanes taking off at an air show but the background is the same is it considered the same subject or if your posting images of hummingbirds in flight but on different days is that the same subject. Seems NOBODY appreciates a good motion blur image. Lets see a plane setting still but in HDR or a car in HDR should be voted on over a good image of a plane taking off with the background blurred from the motion. I wonder which one was harder to capture the MOVING at 155 mph airplane or the stationary car or airplane but because it was in HDR it's supposedly better. Makes since to me.
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Hello Roy, since photos are of airplanes, airplanes are the subject, and since they are different airplanes (as you said), they are different subjects. Same goes for hummingbirds, if they are different hummingbirds they are different subjects.
Very similar images are considered if subject and pose/scene remains the same, if any change (either subject and/or pose/scene) then they are not very similar images.

I hope this helps.
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There are obviously various MOTIVATIONS for posting photos on Pixoto. I, personally, do not pay ANY attention to any "points" other than the image score. That's all. I'm puzzled about the craving for "points". If there's $$ to it, I didn't notice that. Ego? Sales? Hmmmm, don't know. What's the satisfaction about posing a rusty water faucet in 50 different directions? The individual image score tells ME how appealing my particular photo is. I'm deleting every image that doesn't make it to 500. I use the scores to determine the most viable selections for any exhibition. That's it. This bickering is fun to read though!
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Oh, I DO really like the challenges, but I care about the percentile and placement rather than any "points" the image earns. Am I missing something?
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Did a "Print Screen" of a duel that showed up. Same pic, slightly different settings.

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Hello Sue, if you see very similar image please do report it.
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That ́s what I mean... thx for the printscreen.
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and here is yet another prime example...and under a heading it shouldn't be...Ii have covered part of her to be polite...
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Perfect example. Point taken!
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Hi,
I like the idea of not having over represented photos on Pixoto. Good idea.

However, yesterday I received a notification that my photo of a rose with water drops was deleted, because of this reason. Stupid only, that on my picture of a single rose were NO water drops whatsoever! And when I had a look on the leader board for this week, there were a lot of photos with roses WITH water drops.....

I really like pixoto, but I would like to be treated fairly and not be measured with different means!
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I'm relatively new here and I have tried to be a good participant voting frequently...

I too get bored, flowers are lovely, but not a genre I love.. so I enjoy the beauty of several images, I judge on the composition, focus points, color rendering and imagination. I also will NOT vote for an image that I feel is miscategorized..no matter its level of awesomeness... just won't do it.

I have come to realize that the photogs who shoot all of the flowers and kitties, are also voting on my street work... they probably don't care a fig about my efforts in that genre..

(feel free to read my rant on Street Photography here in the community)

All said and done... I still try to do my voting duty.. but once I've seen my 10th dragonfly, 23rd rose, and 43rd kitty cat... I grab the Basil Hayden Bourbon..and dull the pain...
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PS...

I'm considering the submission of a wet rose, on a nude woman,wearing a scarf, sitting in front of a column which has kittens climbing it... at sunset, in HDR..over saturated.. it'll be the first shot I have which hits the 700 mark!!
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An indian head dress is a must, not to mention over edited eyes.
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You can over edit eyes??
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Hahahahaha! This thread has made my day ;-)
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Maybe 800s!
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If you included oversaturated eagles and tigers playing in water in your shot, you'll probably hit 800.
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I wish I'd thought of that....
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haha!
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If the tiger and eagle are drinking from a wine glass next to a fork, colored pencil and spool of thread against a colored background the photo will go 100-0
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:-)
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Don't forget the tiger and eagle clutching a single flower of a lily or daisy with waterdrops.
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You and Lou together can suggest an ideal subject though it could be tough to arrange spoons, forks and the glass balls when you shoot the tigers and eagles! Of course you need to have the "topless lady on the bed" watching it !! :-)
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Ok, I got that. Thanks for the info
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please make this a standard option in the list of report reasons

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