Over-represented subjects

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In order to keep the Pixoto site fresh and interesting we will sometimes ask that our members refrain from submitting certain types of images.

Current Site Wide images we will not be accepting on new submissions (starting October 16th, 2014):

- close-ups of water lilies with water drops

- close-ups of a single rose with water drops

- non-native american women wearing native american head dresses

- photos of the columns at Sheikh Zayed Grand Mosque in Abu Dhabi

- this railway bridge photographed from a similar angle to the one in this shot: http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
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Woodstock

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Thank you :-)
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Cailin

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Wow!!!! Thanks guys!!! That's wonderful!!! Gives me hope for the future! :)
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This is a welcome move but I can only foresee what's coming... a shift to some other subjects that will be submitted over and over again. Unless you implement a one shot per subject per profile, then banning of some images will be nothing. I guarantee, this problem will come up again in just few months to some other images.
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no, some are normal, some are very good, and some terribly post-processed, like this: http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra... :D
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One shot per subject would a very drastic limitation. The problem I see is that it would discourage working to improve on earlier shots of similar subjects. For example; I might capture the same subject more than once, and some might dismiss it as the same end result. However, careful observation might reveal differences that are subtle and overall enhance the image. To me that would be an accomplishment I'd want to post to my profile. Don't we all tend to specialize in certain motives and strive to improve our interpretations of those? The problem with Pixoto is that voting is probably done with very quick and superficial observation in less than a few seconds per picture. Photography is not about that. It is too bad that there have to be any restrictions.
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Margie MacPherson

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you can't tell people what they "should" photograph to please your taste
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I'm fairly new to photography and have submitted a few pics on here. I think rather than a blanket ban on certain subjects that once a photo has won a competition it should not be able to re entered as its already an award winning pic. Most people have a favourite subject and to prevent them from submitting their work is discriminatory..
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Colorful evening
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Cailin

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Yep...tigers in the water, for example. Or asian kids splashing in the mud.
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Chris Pickrell

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Lulz :D
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Robert Cinega

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maybe in your country there are no tigers or you envy
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I think it's a great move - thank you Jason. However, it would really help if award money was suspended indefinitely until all this rubbish stops - maybe that way you would get photographers who were not having their own laugh at the expense of Pixoto...

I suggested before instead of awarding cash prizes, awarding the togs photo prints of their winning images. If they get tired of owning lilies, bridges and tigers, they can sell them ;-)
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Ad Spruijt

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Great move indeed.
Next step is the generic approach for the problem, to avoid new repetitive subjects.
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Mihai Popa

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Congratulation!
Is it possible to inform all members via email about your decision?
Will be very helpful for everybody to know it!
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Nice! They are great photos but I've seen enough water lilies on here to last a life time.
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Yes, I noticed one person in particular posting numerous similar water lilies. They were great pictures, but it is not fair to keep winning when you are basically submitting the same picture over and over again.
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so what? winning photos keep getting entered AND winning contests. isn't that what posting them here is all about?
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Dawn Hoehn Hagler

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No, the people who are submitting the same pictures over and over are cheating and going against the rule that states no similar images. What, they can not think of anything else to photograph?
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The similar image rule of pixoto doesn't apply the way a tog view similar image.
for me if a certain tog keep on winning that's not cheating as long as he/she did not violate any rule of the site, but i rather take it as a challenge and i'll make a way to beat that winning image. that's competition is all about.
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this list seems way too short to me... :D
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Keith Homan

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I've never posted any images like the ones posted above, but what is going to be next?
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Richard Duerksen

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The list seems too short for me also. I appreciate the changes, but would encourage the suggested "more generic" approach of no more than one image of the same subject.
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well, this might be sometimes too limiting... although I try to avoid it, I happen to have some different images of the same subject that I like equally..
I would say common sense should be enough on this... but i'm afraid real life proves me wrong :D
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Much too limiting.Try shooting a Hummingbird in flight and figuring out if the next Hummingbird is the same as the last one or a different one. That would be absurd.
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And then we can start banning all photos.

Subjects appeal to people, because they make interesting subjects. Newbies learn by retracing what's already been done, in an effort to find out how they can do it differently.

Discovering your own voice requires you to examine what's already been done and try to change it.

This is a dumb idea. Old subjects are always going to be over done. The only way to stop it, is only let one person photograph it ever. And then we'd run out of everything real fast.
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I 100% agree. I feel that this is going to limit the new/beginners.
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I appreciate your concern but we are very selective about which photos are considered over-represented. I really don't think it will limit what newbies can upload.  And of course we are not stopping people from photographing the scene -just from uploading it hear for voting.
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"over-represented"..... no more "wedding details" shots then?

EVERY photographer that does weddings if going to take photos of the rings, dress etc etc. If they don't then they SUCK and shout not be photographing weddings.

Looks like I will no longer be using Pixoto. Just because someone else took a shot (or similar one) does not mean I should not be able to submit my own to compete with another similar photo. That's the whole jist of this site.

The fact you give in to complainers who want to dictate what photographers share, tells me exactly what kind of company you are. It's one in which I would usually choose not to deal with. It actually happens to be the type of clients I avoid too. You know, the ones that tell me what and how to photograph?
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Jason, then what's the point of uploading?

All you're doing is imposing YOUR beliefs that "these photos are bad, or over done, or cliche" even though they may in fact be new to that new photographer. You're limiting them before they even start.

And it doesn't matter whether they take it or not. You're telling them what's an acceptable photo before they've even uploaded it. I thought this was a place to show off one's work?

What's next, limiting birds on a branch? Blonde girls with big boobs? Indonesian women? Boats in dry sea beds?

There are a LOT of over done, over used photos. That's just the result of a large community. But that specific of a restriction is kind of a joke.
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Did you not know that all you have to do to get your rights infringed on my Jason and Pixoto is to have someone complain that they do not think something is fair?

I have never seen them stand up and do what is fair to everyone, only overly protest the whiners.
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Marty Cutler

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FANTASTIC! THANK YOU. HOW ABOUT BANNING ALL CAT AND DOG PIX?
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I think NOT. Pets are a great subject as they never quite doing silly things. Every one wants to show off their beautiful pets but not necessary to have 10 photos of the same pet.
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Really! how about a can of worms.
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I am reading this as I hold my cat!---but I've haven't posted pictures of her yet.
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Id like to actually see a ban in place on photos with borders, obviously scanned old Polaroids (because you can see the border), giant watermarks, and those things that they already ask you not to do but I keep seeng all the time anyway.
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you're serious? you're an idiot for saying so.
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Chris Pickrell

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Not to mention, this is just going to devolve into an "I don't like this, can we ban this too" thread.
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Angelia

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Exactly.
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Well, that's a relief! My new pet hate is people in rivers etc creating arcs of water - this has also become boring and repeteitve
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This is one of the reasons I have stopped playing! The repetitiveness of images was overboard.
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Get real. Themed photo contests are just that. Themed.

Big deal, two separate photographers took photos that are similar (to you repetitive.) Not our fault you can't judge which one's better or not.

Are you saying PROFESSIONAL wedding photographers should stop doing wedding details because EVERY wedding photographer takes a photo of the rings and shoes and dress?

LOL, get real.
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I have gotten to the point when voting, if it was a single rose or water lily, vote against. Why are all roses wet? Why are all water lilies the same color?

Thank you for the banning.
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I agree, but the biggest thing is so many very similar pictures of the same thing by the same person.
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George

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This isn't just a ban on the same person putting up the same or similar photos. It's across the board ban.
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It's both - we've just listed the overall subjects here.  Photographer specific bans have been communicated individually.
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I just feel these general bans are too harsh and unfair for future members. And, I cannot see why there should not be a general rule that "the same member cannot submit more than 3 or 4 images on a similar topic". This seems to be much better than giving a controversial list of "banned items".
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Good to hear Jason.
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Denise Nachalala

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How about a ban on portraits of women with overly airbrushed skin? That would be great! lol
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Dawn Hoehn Hagler

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agree
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Margie MacPherson

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thats just stupid. now you're racially discriminating. i thought it is the voter's prerogative, like in "winner's will be chosen by Pixoto voters."
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Some people need to expand on what they shoot as well and diversify. Shooting flowers is grand, but try and move on to other subjects. As far as let people choose what they like, some people vote just for voting and don’t pay attention to what is actually a better picture at all.
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I don't think that's racial. It could have been better phrased. I'm Asian, and I am absolutely sick to the pit of my stomach of pictures of that Indonesian boy with a shawl on his head, among others.
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i agree. i'm asian too. it sickens me to see indonesian girls with blue colored contacts. but you cannot tell people what to photograph or that they should expand their diversity. this site is not even about photo content or quality, it's about voter popularity. that sucks rotten eggs! and i agree that people vote simply to gain points to post & boost their own images. this isn't a for real site, it's a photo collection site. the photographers don't really make a lot of money from these images. the awards and point feed mostly the ego of the person submitting them. so Pixoto "BANNING" images from being posted is just plain stupid. perhaps they should limit the amount of days a photo stays on the sight and when they resubmit it resets everything. that way you don't have to worry about repetitive voting for the same photos over and over. banning is just discrimination. so what, now we'll see all portraits and no flowers? high winning photos stay up and get re-entered into all contests. make the winning or long lasting photos start over. that's more fair.
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I have seen very similar photos that were actually very good images. However, once I've seen the the same type of photo over and over I begin to get bored. That's when I start voting these shots down. I'm not sure the photo needs to be banned. Just vote against it if you're tired of the genre.
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There has been an over abundance of challenges with bugs and insects also simultaneous challenges for the same subject or topic. This should not be allowed.
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Margie MacPherson

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what's wrong with bugs and insects? you don't how to photograph them?
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I would have thought those people who vote determined what was the best and because the above list rose to the top, people emulated those photographs. I can understand Pixoto's problem, how many waterlilies or wet roses is someone going to buy, and they are here to market photo's, so from their point of view it might be a good move. I take a lot of flower photo's (not wet flowers though I was thinking of how nice they look), flowers can look similar but different, so this now leaves me to wonder, if I submit too many of similar flowers will I be banned from submitting floral displays? Time will tell as I know, once a blacklist starts it has a tendency to grow
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exactly. it's merely a bunch of cry babies complaining so Pixoto has to respond i guess. it's stupid. pretty soon they'll ban everything.
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WOW, how can you pick 5 items to ban? There are tons more just like those!
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Margie MacPherson

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i agree
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I'm not convinced banning is the best way to handle the problem. I for one love Water Lillies. I think it is a beautiful flower. I have posted 1 image. To prevent me from posting a 2nd because someone else abused the subject doesn't seem fair or logical. I don't get to travel, so my pictures are limited to my geographical area. So you will probably see more than 1 image of the same subject matter. If the problem is with certain individuals, then perhaps the solution should pertain to those individuals? Yes there are many pics of nets being thrown, but that is part of the culture is it not? If the picture has great lighting, in focus and well presented, I don't see the problem other than submitting identical (or nearly identical) pics probably shot on the same day at the same time.
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One of the reasons I stopped participating was because of all the repetitive images, especially the one that were essentially identical. Why not just limit same subject matter to one or two per photographer that would stop much of what is going on.
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I totally agree that limiting the number of submissions per subject is a much better and broader change that would improve the competition. For those that want to improve after they have submitted one can replace a previously submitted shot. I stopped submitting because some great shots of the same subject diluted the competition.
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Thank goodness for that. Every time I log in all I seem to see is the same shot of a water lily at the top of the leader board, week on week. If I kept resubmitting images They'd be deleted so it drives me nuts how others get away with it. Really glad to see you cracking down on it

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