Once again, another digital image in childrens portrait catergorys -

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another digital image in children's category ;-(
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it is so frustrating, the image that won yesterday was digital, in fact this month is riddled with them... doesn't anyone moderate the contest?

most likely if there isn't any camera info attached to the entry, that's a pretty good indicator it isn't an actual photograph.

I enjoy this site and all the awesome images, but its not fair to all if this keeps happening.
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Hello L.L.

Digitally enhanced images are allowed in all of the categories as long as the image looks real and not otherworldly.

We rely on our users to report images that they feel are in violation of the Contest Rules at www.pixoto.com/contest Thousands of images are submitted daily and we can not possibly look at every image,
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looking at it it doesn't really look real, or is it a perspective thing
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Just for the sake of good conversation and opinion exchange :)

I took a look at the photo and try to find inconsistencies and just couldn't find any... reflections of people are where they should be (considering it is very low shot, probbably the lense was just above water if you look at perspective) and reflecions of other objacts are where they should be too.

I could not find any sighn this heavily digitally modified.

Only thing that I find wrong with this photo is category.

"Babies & Children – All photos of babies or children under the age of 16 without parents/adults"

Since it has adults on it imo it should go to people category.

L.L. can you please tell me why do you think it is digitally modified? Maybe I'm missing something obvious but I just can not see it :)
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You know your right, the category is off but that also happens a lot in the children's section of pixoto.

Example: this should be in family:http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

As for my view on this artwork, I see a seem directly down the center-indicating its inverted to make the reflection, opacity reduced, water overlay, and of course the child in the center. the proportions seem off to me, when looking at it as a whole in comparison.
I am not saying this isn't good because frankly its interesting and very good, it just isn't in the correct place
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How can the photographer be at the same level, or even slightly lower, as the child, that's whats bothering me
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Terry, maybe laying down on ground? I really don't know, I never tried shot like that, but I will definatelly try to do it and replicate such view, if I can, of course :)

L.L. I must admit the child looks odd to me too, but after you draw my attention to it I examened it very close, and my observations are as follows:

When I consider people and reflections of them near center boys legs, I see that they are not just inverted. there ate more of people then there is in reflection indicating to me that it is reflection in water (I have done reflections in water in low angle and when object are behind eachother I get such reflections) rather then just flip copy of upper part.
Also I took a look at shadows on the boy and other people on the photo (this is the first thing I do if I suspect the photo is composite). As far as I can see the shadows are consistant with sunlight comming from same direction (my approximation is that Sun was behind photographer to the upper right, which can be seen from shadow from boys hand on his left leg).

On the other hand this really could be pure PS work as you say L.L., adding reflection and boy in the centre, and if it is I would like to congratulate the author because I think it is awsome :)

L.L. don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say you are wrong, this is all just an exercise for me to detaily examine photo :) And I can not state without a doubt that this is real photo, but neither I can say it is digitally manipulated :)
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I confess i'm falling slightly on the side of photoshopped but its a tough one
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I guess its hard telling not knowing. Oh well I am firm on that its not a portrait, and its not for children's with adults in it over 16-

I actually value your opinion and I could be wrong about the rest- although my instinct tells me otherwise.
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L.L. thank you for your thoughts, I enjoyed constructive conversation :)

For me it is never hard admitting I don't know something or that I'm wrong, because no person knows everything :)

I value your opinion too, and the more I look at that photo the more I have feeling that something is wrong, I just can not point my finger and say: Aha, that is wrong :)

Thank you again :)
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Thank you for the reminder about adults being present, the image will be moved to People
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There are NO splashes in the water...I would think it is obviously digital, and it does NOT look real...People can't "Walk on water"... LOL! Only Jesus...! :P
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One of the things that makes me think that it is at least partially real is the area around the child's knees. When you step on wet sand that is the effect you get, the water is pressed out of the sand and leaves a drier ring around your foot. I am not saying that this image has not been "improved" digitally though.

Example http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

In my photo above, that is a natural reflection of my dog. There is some distortion in the reflection because of the texture of the sand beneath the very thin layer of water. Notice there are no splashes coming up off of his feet (and he has fluffy foot pads that carry water well) If the sand were a darker color, the reflection would be even more evident. I could use Photoshop to bring out the reflection more than it is here though.
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Nice picture, Sherry!! Why is it I have never been able to walk on wet sand like this, without kicking up both sand AND water...? :) But his feet ARE nice and clean! :) I can see that!

LOL! I had no idea, till I came to this site, how much of a skeptic I was...

:) But I still don't believe it and still say it doesn't look real...

I DO see now, what I thought were rocks showing through the water, in the very foreground, are actually smaller cloud reflections...

What are the 2 pole things, some sort of area heaters or something???
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My best guess would be lighting in a parking lot or boardwalk or something, there is some pretty bad distortion at the edges, look at the girl in the bikini on the very left edge of the image... way out of proportion! Could be caused by wide angle lens I guess?
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Yes, I see that!...And at the far right, it looks to be a traffic signal, yet it is sorta hard to see, but looks like some part of it is reflecting on the sand, which seems a little strange that a traffic signal would be that close to sand...BUT, I think I have figured out why 'to me', it looks not real...besides the fact that distance and proportions seem to be some how off...I think what is getting me are the people...They seem to be more toward the HDR thing...Not 'real' looking...

I must say one thing...This one picture sure has entertained us!! :)
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I don't think its sand,its too flat, maybe a play area sort of thing, but I'm still thinking photoshop
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whats wrong is the scale of the child in front. He's too big for the distance between him and those behind him. He and 4 or 5 groups of people have all been added to this photo prior to reflecting the image.

Regardless- this was a lot of work to create- quite well done.
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Yeah,,,that was what I was feeling when saying the distance and proportions were off...

You are right, it had to be a lot of work...but STILL it is unreal and should be moved to digital...

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