Ok, so Pixoto won't do anything about "Very Similar Images" but what about people with two accounts putting on identical images.

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This guy http://www.pixoto.com/seanmarklovie who goes under the name of Mark Anthony Bansag, is surely the same guy as http://www.pixoto.com/charlie777.

Please Pixoto sort this out because it's just not fair to other Pixoto members!!
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The only reason I can think of that a business would overlook it is if they were making a lot of money on these accounts. When I look at the images, regardless of the quality - I can't imagine that people are buying them in great numbers for the wall, pillows, phone cases, blankets, or whatever else the company produces. Just doesn't make sense to me. There's more to the story somewhere.
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I have thought that too. Perhaps they are buying download credits regularly instead of voting, mind you if Pixoto are then paying out cash prizes to these members then there is not much net gain.
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Yes Jane, I agree with everything you say, there's definitely more to it!!
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Michael and Jan: As this story keeps unraveling, I am amazed at the issues I never even thought of. How complex can this be? I've just read Lenore and Jack Brian's posts and the water gets deeper and murkier. I think there's a novel here! LOL!
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Great idea!!
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I asked about this over a year ago ....they are apparently relatives and go shooting together. That's what Charlie says :-)
("Hey Lenore those photos were taken in the same day, and mark is my relative we took those photos together.")
http://community.pixoto.com/pixoto/to...

Edited to add: As much as I think this is not quite right, the explanation that they go shooting together is not an impossibility. I have a couple of friends I go shooting with on occasion and one even has the exact same camera as me. Neither are Pixoto members, however. I would not want Pixoto to outright ban somebody without hard proof. That wouldn't be right either. Things that seem "off" often are indeed off, but there has to be more than suspicion and gut feelings. Until Charlie's explanation can be disproved, I'm betting Pixoto won't take action.
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you're right. Pixoto NEVER goes against their top winners. although i am beginning to question how some of these 'top winners' get their positions.
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I rarely put anything on anymore. As far as I'm concerned, the duels are far from legitimate. When one of the top winners has an image in a category that I've entered something into, my image is very often paused!! I end up deleting it. Very strangely though, if I submit it again when the top winners haven't entered anything, I get really high scores. It's all a bit iffy!!
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if the duels were accurate then a lot of these crap photos wouldn't score like they do!
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Charlie and Mark are 2 separate people, you only need to check their Facebook profiles. Yes they do go out and shoot together and yes they do shoot the same subjects and yes they do bore the pants off me with the same type of images again and again, however they produce winning images time and time again. They do this on Pixoto but do not achieve the same recognition on other sites....why?? I would put this down to the geographic profile of voters that are on Pixoto.

The biggest problem is with Mark Anthony Bansag deleting winning images that have won monetary awards in 2013 and 2014, then resubmitting those images in 2015. Its is not against Pixoto rules, however if other photographers did this site would become even more repetitive and boring than it is at present. Go ahead and look at his winning photographer of the year banners for 2013 and 2014. He has no winning images...why because they have been deleted for submission in 2015.

This was brought up last year and again by Rey Garces on a post a few weeks back....still no answer from Pixoto.
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Jack: I absolutely believe that the geographic profile of voters is a huge issue. Somehow I came to believe, almost at the outset, that Pixoto began in the East - as in far east - and the most recognizable photographers have been on the site years before the west ever entered the picture.

I know a good image when I see one. Every now and then I take a good image. For me, that guarantees nothing. Sometimes, it does OK. Other times, a good image loses to images that are not nearly as good - images that are out of focus, have dead or dying foliage, are over-saturated, zero composition, etc.

I had one follower suggest that the problem is that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. That doesn't hold water. If it does the photographic eye of the voter to be making judgments is sorely lacking. I don't believe that.

I think that westerners stand out by their choice of images - flowers, animals, landscapes, etc. I think that many members were not happy when Pro's entered the picture. Simply put, if you have money you are guaranteed 100 duels - and if you do not have money - you have to struggle for what you get and maybe you've been a member for years.

The deleting of images from previous years and resubmitting in the current year is something I never considered. Maybe we should all do that. We can give new meaning to the term "repetition" or "similar images!"

I think that any endeavor on the face of the earth is sure to be stained by those who can figure out a way to corrupt the machinations of protocol. It's everywhere. Sad to say . . .
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Being guaranteed 100 duels is actually meaningless and I think it puts people at a disadvantage. Just because someone gets 100 duels doesn't mean they're going to be favourable.

I would not upgrade to Pro because I actually like knowing an image is tanking and that gives me the opportunity to resubmit it right away. On more times than I can count I have uploaded an image, it has almost immediately bombed and been paused, so I resubmit it and within the hour it's up over 600 points. Sometimes just the passing of even a few minutes means your image gets seen by a totally different pool of voters and the results alter dramatically. Those first few votes are CRUCIAL ... they either put your photo on a winning trajectory, or a losing one. The Pixoto algorithm is a cruel master :-)

Those with Pro accounts tend to just upload their images and hope that on that first try, their images do well. I don't think that's a long-term winning strategy :-)

Just my two cents! LOL
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I paid for Pro and I resubmit all the time. Sometimes over and over in a 10 minute period. If I haven't done well, no matter what, in the evening, I'll resubmit in the morning. I am well aware that people are voting in different time zones, and therefore, have different views about what is a winner. That is a tongue in cheek statement. I have 4 tanking right now. Trying to decide whether to resubmit now or wait until I get a different group of voters.
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Getting back to deleting top scoring images and resubmitting them, I wanted to resubmit one of my images because I think I've put it in the wrong category, but the option to delete and resubmit aren't highlighted in bold, and when I hovered over resubmit, a message appeared that said I needed admin's permission to resubmit because it had scored 5% or more. So the person who is resubmitting his top scoring images, is doing it with admin's blessing!!
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Jan...The problem lies with Pixoto, they need to remove the weekly monetary prize. If every user started resubmitted their top 5% images in order to achieve monetary gain by winning the weekly prize money then the site would become even more stale and repetitive than it is at present.

I cannot blame Pixoto totally for the repetitive nature of the images, that lies solely with people that submit the images and those that vote for them.
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I have seen that the Delete/ReSubmit buttons get greyed out of your images are above the 10% mark. When you hover over the Delete/Resubmit button you get a popup suggesting that you should send an email to the moderators.

Still, I see lot of photographers delete and resubmit their Top 1% and Top 5% images. How do they do it? What is the secret key? Do you need to be a paid member?
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Hello Prakash, if user wants to resubmit or delete image that won 5% or better award he/she need to send request to report@pixoto.com

I hope this helps.
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i see that we need permission to delete our own photos, yet Pixoto deletes and recategorizes as they see fit? that's just rich.
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Yep, they are our images so they have no right to stop us from deleting them. I've had a few of mine recategorised. They actually did me a favour though because one only reached 542, but in the new category it's reached 722!!
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Hello Jan, I took a look at both profiles and didn't see same images in them. Can you please post links to same images in both profiles?
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Jasenka, what is the point? We can all see that even if they are not IDENTICAL, they are more than just SIMILAR, and the rules state "NO VERY SIMILAR IMAGES."

I'm not bothered in the least any more, I'm just going to submit, ridiculously similar, practically identical and even duplicate images to see what admin does.
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Jan, admin won't do anything unless the images are reported. They don't police the site ... that's up to all of us. So you could easily submit two identical images but if nobody notices or does notice but doesn't bother to report them, they'll stay up............
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The way Pixoto works, it appears they'll stay up even if they are reported, as well we know!!
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Frustration thy name is sarcasm! LOL! Late at night, it's almost funny - during the light of day - not so much!
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Same flowers, same bridge, same flowers, same bridge and so on...
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SUCH a GENERIC ANSWER!! i'm going through the same thing on my post. PIXOTO does NOT want to peruse the images themselves. BOGUS! BOGUS!!!
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Lenore, I'm beginning to report these images but to no avail. Pixoto gives the IDENTICAL reply that they can't see anything. I'm realizing now that since I have so little in my portfolio it's easier for them to peruse mine, virtually impossible to look through those with 1000. I think the only way to beat them is to join them! Play them at their own game!!
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My sentiments exactly!!
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Jasenka posted the EXACT comment on my feed when i complained. seems pixoto is trigger fingered to delete images from those with fewer images. those with like 1000 they wan you to do the work and they still don't remove the pics. it's so bogus!
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Me, myself, yours truly and I are planning to take a lot of photos this summer. We also plan to create our own facebook accounts and link them to pixoto. Our cameras are exactly the same. We will take some shots of the same subjects we like, at almost the same time. Our camera settings may also be similar as we discuss the settings before we take a shot. The GPS location will also read the same as we are at the same place. So please don't get frustrated if our images look similar or even same. You know we took the photos at the same time.
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Charlie and Mark (standing) at work....The former now uses 5D lll while the later uses 7D ll

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There is a crack in Charlie's (sitting) side :) Big looooool, EBR this is a great reponse to this topic :) :) :)
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EBR is right!!!
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EBR is right!!!!
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Its no wonder people are leaving in droves when the 3 of you continue produce the same meaningless images of that bridge.
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That bridge NEEDS to go. Enough already! If you are good photographer, come up with a different subject(s).
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I see the bridge every day when I vote and every day in the top 10 (sometimes more than one entry in the top ten each day) It's like an old friend now. My day wouldn't be complete without a different angled view or altered color vision of that bridge.
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The bridge and the flowers go hand in hand for these 3 guys. There must be nothing else to take pictures of around where they live.
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I think they gave up on taking photo as most of the data on the photos I have seen has a 2013 or a 2014 date
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Jasenka gave the EXACT reply that she could find no similarity in the images on my post. PFFFFT! BOGUS!!

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