No Edits Allowed!

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I see so many 'photographs' of waterscapes, among other things, that you can tell have been severely edited. This isn't real photography, you're simply adding colour and fogging the water. It isn't fair to the people who take great pictures and don't edit it.
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Hi,

Don't think the water has been edited, looks like the photographer used long exposure with 10 stop filter.
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Thank you Jamie for helping Rosalei, very good reply.

When using longer exposure this is normal effect water and moving clouds produce on photograph.
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Just my opinion, but "unedited" works are not photographs, they are simply snapshots...Straight from the camera pics are half done. Editing is the other half of photography...before computers...masking, changing your darkroom chemicals, and printing exposure times gave you ability to edit photos...Ansel Adams is arguably the greatest American photographer and he said, "Right out of the camera the image is like written sheet music, but the editing is like the musician's performance!" He said, "If we had to use photos right out of the camera the world would look like an ugly place" These are Ansel Adams' words, not mine...I wish I was a lot better with editing programs like lightroom. ,,,sorry if I offended anyone...cheers.
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I don't agree unedited shots are just snapshots, there are many that prove that to be wrong. I feel that editing these days has gone over the top in many cases, with the end result not looking anything like the original.
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I agree that editing today is WAY over the top...Lots of the winning photos you see here are done by folks who are master's of editing, you can't tell they were edited at all...All the great old masters of photography worked their magic in the darkroom. Some said it only took 1/100th of a second with the camera to make a picture, but took days in the darkroom to get the effect they were originally after...and they are considered masters. Some folks today don't even realize their cameras were set at the factory to edit the picture before they see on the view screen to make them think they bought a better camera. These options can be turned off easily.
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Ansel Adams went as far as to say...if a person is not taking a picture with how they are are going to edit it in mind when they choose their exposure values, then that person doesn't know what they are doing, that is what makes a person "an artist" instead of someone just pointing a camera at things, just telling what Ansel said, nothing personal to anyone. ..(this pretty much puts me in the "I don't know what I'm doing category, but I am trying to learn from folks like Ansel Adams)...cheers
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I don't edit any of my photos... Do they look boring?
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It does look altered. Exposure maybe, filter maybe, but still altered by filter.
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Too me it looks edited in the typical programs that offer that cloud and water look...@Rosalie, I find "robophotos" such as these BORING...
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Anne , Rosalei " painting with a camera art " is the New Age music clutter of the photographic world.
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I agree, I see way too many super edited photos being pitted against real photography and winning. Not fair.
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Its all real photography!! And it is Art! which is subjective!
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Tim Hall

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Yes!
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Anne Santostefano

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But it's a category and should be with like category,that's my point. That's all I'm saying.
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Anne your insistence on arguing the " Inconvenient Facts " with the " painters " is charming , pointless but charming. The " painters " you see are scared to death of being judged against the other " painters " since that would mean less points and awards and potentially less financial gain for most of them. It's much easier to win an unfair fight. Asking a photographer to compete with a " painter " is like asking Diana Krall to beat Vitali Klitschko at boxing.
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unfortunately it is the way of the future. I also dislike the fact I am loosing to a photo that has a weeks worth of photoshop. Other than the word of the photographer don't see how you can keep it from happening. Just like the zoo animal photos they are judged next to a wild photo and the perfect posed lazy zoo animal wins. A 5 year old with a brownie camera could have taken it.
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Dear Silver City , Anne , Jaime , and Rosalei :

I invite you all to voice your opinions on this topic thread " Vincent Van Gogh vs Ansell Adams " Anne and I are currently engaged in a pitched and fierce battle with the " painters with a camera " there. I think you'd enjoy voicing your opinions there and seeing what all concerned have to say.

Paul Stanner
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Ansel Adams was adamant that photos have to be edited after shooting...He said if he had to use photos right out of the camera "the world look like an ugly place". Mr Adams also said each different person who edits the original exposure would end up with a different final resulting image, and that is how "photographs as art" differ from "photographs as documents" Respectfully, Ansel Adams' opinions on this matter are available via interviews he gave which are on you tube
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While I like and respect his work, his opinion is just his opinion. He is not the be all and end all and God of photography in that his opinion is the standard. I don't want to be another Ansel Adams, I want to be the first and only, Anne Santostefano ;)
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But to clarify, when I say edited and altered, I mean the ones that no longer even look like a photograph, but a too perfect, too cooky cutter, too worked look. They look so much like other pictures that are faked up, you can barely tell them apart, and that is because they are using these editing programs that add fake or altered clouds and skies and even provide fake backgrounds and everyone is using those same fake clouds and skies and color and it's sad because it turns photography into something mechanical, rather than the unique eye and perspective of the photographer...this to me is not so much photography as an art, but recreating through editing as an "art" though to me it is more accurately a skill than an art.
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Anne S, ...You are right, Ansel Adams was not a super-human! I chose to quote him here because he was singled out in a previous post as someone who would never edit his photos, When in reality, Ansel Adams almost single-handedly invented photo editing for the sake of making photography art..
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I understand... And yes, he did, and there is a form of it that is art, and there is a form, today's editing programs that are just like a kids toy of some kind, making all sorts of fake additions to a photo post camera. Because there are 2 similar threads on this subject, I am forgetting who said what where and how many times lol :D
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I once thought of editing as "cheating" but but now think it of as a very important element of the creative process.
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editing and completely remodeling, are two different things. Many photos need a little tweaking, but not total reconstructing.
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I definitely agree, Anne!
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:)
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I have no problem with editing. It just makes it hard when you know you have no chance of winning because the pros put so many hours into their photos
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Tim Hall

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Very true, but being the underdog can be very inspirational!
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I have no problem with editing. It is just hard to compete with the pros.
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Correction, few who edit are pros, they try to compete with those who really have an eye and the mad skills by tarting up their photos with fake clouds, fake water fog, fake over vivid cartoon colors, blah blah...
they are trying to be and compete with pros through fakery, like a girl trying to win a big boob contest with obvious implants :p
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Again, I agree with Anne. :)
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Thank you, but be prepared, you will be attacked and insulted for your opinion on here. :)
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Rosalei,
Although you might think that you are not "editing" your photos the fact is the camera is doing it for you! these are the modes that are built into your camera! every time you select one it changes the different parameters within the camera I.E.
saturation,sharpness,hue,white balance etc,etc,etc...all to produce a more"eye catching" snap. there is not one digital camera that does not do some form of this. welcome to the new millennium! So embrace what your camera has to offer, unless you want to start using film again(which is a good thing) Just have fun!! heres the list in your model camera!

Beach, Color accent, Color swap, Fireworks, Fisheye effect, Foliage, Landscape, Low light, Miniature effect, Portrait mode, Poster effect, Smart shutter, Snow, Sports mode, Stitch assist, Super vivid
Special Effects Black & White, Color Accent, Color Swap, Custom Effect, Darker Skin Tone, Fisheye, Lighter Skin Tone, Miniature, Neutral, Positive Film, Sepia, Vivid, Vivid Blue, Vivid Green, Vivid Red
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I don't use any of those settings, except for kicks, and never use the finished result in contests against actual unchanged photographs. I am not talking about a little tweak on exposure here, lightening a little there, tweaking minor imperfections, I am talking total overhaul robophotos :D
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Wow, what a good point! I'm an old guy from the film days and even then things like varying your f-stops to alter or create unreal blur that doesn't exist in nature was still "editing' the original scene. (long before whoever invented photoshop was born).
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That is still different from the frankenphotos produced post camera by adding things that aren't there, taking away things that are, inserting fake skies and fake effects, until the original is barely recognizable. I hope we are all clear on the difference now....
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The only person here who really seems to understand where I'm coming from is Anne!
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:)
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Here is the point I would like to make...It is impossible to take a photo that is not edited. If you shoot in the auto setting the camera is editing the incoming light values into whatever the internal computer thinks you want...white balance, color mode, depth of field, etc. Even if you shoot in complete manual mode with a manual only camera, you are editing the natural scene with your f-stop, shutter speed, and iso choices. No camera can mimic the human eye, it can only edit the incoming light into what you have told it you want...Automatic or manual, every photograph is edited by your exposure value choices, or the camera.
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Yes, I think we've been through that, and AGAIN, I am NOT talking about minor tweaks to a normal photo, that's part of normal photography and photography talent and skills...I am talking about post camera editing with fake backgrounds, fake clouds, enhanced, freakish, not found in nature colors and textures, cooky cutter, all look alike, pretty much the same scene pics, that you can hardly tell one from the other, and some even look the same side by side,...the kind of overworked frankenphotos that go through these editing programs and literally reconstruct and remodel them into something they are not , where everyone pretty much uses the same clouds, same effects, same water fog, etc. etc. They need to be pitted against like frankenphotos. My point is made. I hope.
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Point taken...of course I agree with you on the "FrankenPhotos" ....This is just one of my favorite discussion topics, I spent 30 years trying to figure out better ways to get even exposures of natural scenes containing high dynamic ranges of contrasting value...now you just set the cameras on HDR an the camera stiches two or more exposures together...viola! And yes I completely hate the over-wrought HDR effects so prevalent today...Somebody help me!...I'm typing and I can't stop!
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Lol, ...
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Gee Rosalei I'm insulted considering that I'm on your side.

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