New Duel Ban Alogorithm - some samples

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In an effort to vastly improve the quality of the rankings on Pixoto, this week we added a new feature which flags users who have suspicious or seemingly careless voting patterns. For the first 24 hours the images we selected were a bit too close in quality and we also unnecessarily warned members if they were getting close to being flagged (and we took some well deserved heat on this community). After correcting this we've still been taking some heat from photographers who have had their duel privileges temporarily revoked. Some people see this as a sign that our system is making things worse.

I want to say unequivocally that we believe this new system is the largest single improvement that we have made to Pixoto voting since we started nearly three years ago. It is true that some people have been flagged when they should not have been - but overall we feel that that the system has very high success rate. In order to demonstrate why we feel this way I am going to post some of the duels that people voted on that got their accounts flagged. In each case below the user clicked on the image on the left.

I'm interested in your feedback. Do you think that votes, such as the ones below, overall are productive in our efforts to find the best photos? You be the judge.
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Taste is very different from person to person. I think that pixoto have mede the flagging so we as photographers have to buy credits instead of earning them.

It is not up to pixoto to flag any votes, as I wrote earlier taste is differemt from person to person.

I always vote at the photo I like the best, and have tryed to bo flaged once, and I made it clear to myself then, that should it happen again, I'm leaving.
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I give you high praise to Pixoto to be aware of this problem. I have to agree that if those duels showed up on my computer I would vote for the photos on the right. I just joined so that I could see where my photos compare with others. I have done a lot of researching and try to practice what I've learned. It is a little frustrating when a photo that looks more like a snapshot wins over one of my photos that I feel I tried to give an artistic approach to. When a photo wins mine, I study it and try to figure out what I could do different with mine to make it a better photo. It's sad when a snapshot wins just because the subject was cute over a photo that has composition and lots of thought behind the lens. That does not give someone an accurate learning experience.
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Sometimes I vote on up to 5000 duels in a week. and I'm sorry but I am feeling the need to swallow my barf every time I have to look at another...

Water lily shot from above.
Glass globe in front of a waterscape.
Children splashing in mud.
Zoo tiger in zoo water.
Closeup of a woman with a blank fish-lipped stare.
Veggies thrown into water.
Two water buffaloes pulling a muddy, grimacing man.
Same old outrigger canoe on same old lake.

And no I'm not jealous, I suggest that the above images go straight to 750 points and top the leader boards without dueling at all. Just give them the awards straightaway and you won't have to ban the folks who vote against them

You guys picked the very images for your examples that voters are sick of seeing, Maybe that's why folks are voting for anything else. Yes, some might think the repetition of my images are barf worthy as well and they are free to do so, but they aren't causing folks who vote against them to be banned

At this point I will be afraid to vote against the tired, repetitive images trumpeted here because one will surly get flagged for doing so. Can we at least have unlimited skips to stifle the need to barf?
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I think you forgot the "natural" waterdrops Tim.
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Tim Hall

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Thanks Terry, forgot the (un) natural water drops :-)
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Don't forget the silhouettes at sunset :-)
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Lenore

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One other thing that bugs the heck out of me ..... images in Illustration and images in Digital Art that are the same. And they're just digitally created abstracts that have nothing to do with photography anyway.
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I always vote against the following, and i do not care what anyone thinks. I do this because i am bored with the sameness of these images, and on the Pixoto they stifle out creativity of other photographers.

People Category: Closeups of women with a blank stare and/or their faces covered with a cloth.
Flower category : Water Lilys, Roses, Gerberas. in fact any flowers with a mass of waterdrops
Animal category: Tigers, eagles, frogs tied up with string
Other : Glass globe in front of a waterscape, 3-5 glasses with a colored background,colored cotton/silk reels/pencils, reflected fruit, fruit/veg splashing into water
Nature up close : Seafull Regina and the hundreds of fake waterdrops on various plants.
Landscapes : Indonesian saturated sunsets
Transport : Bali boats with saturated sunsets.

I also will skip/not vote in the following categories:

Uncategorized: why should i waste my time on these if the photographers cannot be bothered to find the correct categories, this section has become a place for repetitive/duplicate images.

Black & White : Pixoto's attempt to increase image submissions and for lazy photographers to convert every image into B&W. A good B&W image will beat a colored image in the right circumstances.

Competitions : too many comps and too many submissions.

There i have said it:
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I dislike the uncategorised and I have asked that no duplicates are allowed in b/w and colour, as they are currently. It doesn't make for fresh b/w, it just means seeing the same pictures.
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While I am guilty of submitting the same image in both b/w and colour if I think the image suits black-and-white (most don't), I wholeheartedly wish that, as Terry suggests, the duplicate rule be applied and that we should NOT be allowed to have both a black-and-white and colour version of the exact same photo on the site. I think we should be able to upload a black and white photo into any category we want or into the specific Black and White category, but then, that should be it for that photo. No colour version.
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I thought we could put B&W in any category, No?
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Yes, Tim, but ONLY if there is no colour photo of the same image submitted. In other words, if you upload a black and white photo of a bird and put it in Animals, that's fine, but you no longer could upload the same image in colour as they would now be duplicates. However, if you had put the b/w image in the Black and White category, your colour photo of the same photo would be fine in Animals.

The thing to remember: you can't have a black and white AND colour version of the same photo in the same category. If you're going to upload both, the b/w image must be in the Black and White category.

I have a couple of photos that I produced in both b/w and colour and tried the b/w images first, in a regular category, where they did well, so my colour versions essentially became useless for Pixoto :-)
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I think the group of image examples presented here is only half the story...

Can you give us some examples of pics that, in Pixoto's opinion, would beat the pics on the right, What could we vote for (against the winning examples given here) that would not get us banned from voting?
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Yes, why not? A very good thought Tim.
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Tim Hall

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Thanks Lenore, (just when I thought i had it all down :o)

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