Missing exinfo opens the door to cheating

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I'm new to Pixoto but not new to photography.
I love the fact that the exinfo is displayed - I wish it popped up on the duel as that tells me something about the technical difficulty of the shot - but that is not why I write.
There is one category where I feel it is critical that the exinfo remains, that being the Mobile Devices-Android category.
There are right now some four or five photos leading the category that I do not believe were made with mobile devices. All of them lack exinfo. The excuse of editing outside the device does not fly as I always do that and the exinfo remain intact.
With this info missing there is no way to tell if the photo was made with a high end DSLR or an i-Phone. That's not a fair fight.
Missing Exinfo should be an automatic disqualification from this category.
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I posted about that before here in the community, but Pixoto says it's not required, period. You may want to change your comments from a Problem to a Suggestion.
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Thanks. I will do that.
I've only been around a couple of days but I'm already seeing some issues with how this site is set up.
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The Mobile Phone category, along with the Novice category, are the two "lesser" categories here at Pixoto -- "lesser" probably isn't the right word but it's the only one that's popped into my head. Neither of those categories are eligible for prizes. Because they are not eligible for prizes, they aren't as important to Pixoto.

There has been much discussion here in this forum over the years that it is suspected there are shots in that category that are not legit. Not all of the accusations are warranted -- today's mobile phones are capable of some pretty fantastic photos. However, the category is on the honour system. Do some people cheat? It's likely.

Requiring EXIF wouldn't matter, though, as EXIF can easily and quickly be altered to read anything you want it to read.

Seeing no EXIF is not that suspicious. Many people do not wish to share it. Also, it is often stripped out of files when being saved, to make file sizes smaller. Photoshop's "Save for Web" feature, for example, strips out the EXIF when saving the file. Lightroom has a similar feature. While I have uploaded iPhone photos, I don't contribute to the Mobile category -- but if I did, the files would still be opened up and saved in Photoshop, where I might do a minor curves adjustment or something similar. Or I could do major adjustments. If I save the file normally, the mobile phone EXIF info will still show as I don't strip it out. But if I used the "save for web" feature to reduce the file size, it would be gone.

Pixoto is an international site, with members around the globe. Not everyone in this world is fortunate enough to have unlimited high-speed internet connections. If people choose to reduce their file size to make their uploads easier, more power to them :-)
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The mobile category is interesting in that it takes a lot of skill to get a great image with one given that you don't have the kind of exposure control you have with a DSLR. To me it's a technical challenge to get a Wow result from a phone camera. Especially when you don't indulge in a lot of post processing.
About the most I ever do is adjust the levels and maybe a bit of dodging and burning.
I'm old school and come out of a photojournalism background. If it isn't something I can do in the camera or in the darkroom, I generally won't do it.
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"Photoshop's "Save for Web" feature, for example, strips out the EXIF when saving the file."

Leonora, all my photos are 'saved for web' with Photoshop, and it does not stip the EXIF data, unless I change the settings to do so.
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Vibeke, do you perhaps use an older version that might include it, or did you adjust your setting to ALL to include the EXIF? I don't know what the official default is but I use Photoshop CC, which is the current version, and have not changed the settings -- I have no need to, since I never use Save for Web. But I just tried it and my EXIF was stripped out when I used the feature :-)

FYI.....From Adobe's website, these are the metadata choices:

None
No metadata saved (except for the EXIF copyright notice in JPEG files). Produces the smallest file size.

Copyright
Saves copyright notice, rights usage terms, copyright status, and copyright info URL.

Copyright and Contact Info
Saves all copyright information, plus the following information: creator, creator job title, e-mail(s), address, city, state/province, postal code, country, telephone(s), and website(s).

All Except Camera Info
Saves all metadata, except EXIF data about camera settings such as shutter speed, date and time, focal length, exposure compensation, metering pattern, and flash use.

All
Saves all metadata in the file.
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Leonora, I have subscription to Photoshop, so always have the latest version of the program. Not sure what the default setting is in 'Save for Web', mine is set to Save all Metadata.
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Photo Shop CS5 here - the default for "Save to Web" strips out all the camera information.

Metadata is set to "Copyright and Contact Info" - I have never used Save to Web so the setting is as it was on installation.
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Vibeke, we have the same version then. You must have altered your settings as I never have, and mine strips out the EXIF. See Nick's response above, where he too has the default settings and the EXIF is stripped out.
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Hello Michael, thank you for suggestion.

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