Lotus world domination plot...

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This guy had duplicates removed yesterday, he's promply reposted the deleted ones. This kind of blatant disregard for the rules needs to go public.

Current set of dupes/trips (there may be more, but he's changing colours, adding bugs and rotating images to make them seem different, and I don't have time to compare them one by one...)

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and exact duplicate with bugs added and colour changed...
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Over to you Pixoto....
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And another one of the lotus club is doing the same...

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Again, 100% sure there are more but just don't have the motivation to compare them all.
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It appears these have been taken care of too :)
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And...a quick look on another random Thai Lotus Farmer, and hey presto! Pixoto you REALLY need to go through the lotus club and clean this lot up. It's bad enough that each is posting photos that are nearly identical to each other, but insane they are also getting away with so many duplicates!

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It appears these have been taken care of
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Yeah Darrell I have been reporting these when I see them also. Once upon a time they where all from Hat Yai, Songkula in Thailand. A few that used to post from there have gone quiet since the 4 togs taking the pic of the Frangipani pic and a new breed from Hat Yai and now Mueang, Songkhla in Thailand have taken their place. Lets hope that publicly naming them will have some effect, but they are a brazen lot.

I have thought about comparing one togs pics to another to see if there are any "shared" pics but like you, I don't have that much time. I wonder if its possible to see if they vote for each others pics?
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Thank you for the report Darrell, I too reported the images.
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Maybe people who flaunt the rules should have their awards taken away, just deleting the photo's does not seem to work...
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Mirrored, slightly rotated and colour change. But identical petals and water drops.

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Thank you Darrell I reported them as well
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I thought the rule for photoshop was that they need to look real. Anyone who looks at the photoshop gradients under these pictures and think it looks natural should have their eyes examined. Why are these even under flowers and not digital anyway?
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I agree if changes that extreme are being done they should be in digital art. Since we rely on the player to put his images in the correct category ...well that explains why they are in the wrong one...
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Oh hey now, look at that..some duplicates were removed. Pixoto - I hear you say, "look the system is working" to which I reply...nuh uh, he just resubmits them again....and again...and again....

Colour changes and rotations, but identical image:
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I'm out of patience...bye bye.
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maybe we need to post more comments on the pics themselves

Pixoto- do more then just remove duplicates PUNISH DUPLICATORS
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The duplicate here has been removed
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OK so a few bug shots in Nature up Close got me investigating. These are from ONE PERSONS profile, this guy seems to think bugs = flowers....

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So....3 days later, and still no comment or action on these. Am I missing something? Some of these don't even have the slightest hint of a flower in them, there can be no borderline cases with those!
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Hello Darrell, I will check on it today
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Still nothing?
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Darrell it appears these all have been re categorized as insects
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yup they have been (or the ones I looked at anyway) - done today, 18 March...
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It seems the serial offenders don't care that their duplicates are removed. All they do is resubmit and hope that they go unnoticed. All they want to do is accumulate points and awards. I say first offence, remove the duplicate send them an email telling them the duplicate has been removed and also tell them to clean up their profile of all other duplicates. If they reoffend or are reported again remove both pics along with points and awards.
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Sorry Sherry but have more for the report team to have a look at

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is a recrop of

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which is a duplicate of

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bugs have been added and waterdrops added or cloned out but the same pic

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is a monochrome version of

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haven't looked for others but will when I get time unless someone else does it first
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Some of the above appear to have been removed, I reported the others again
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Mirrored and cropped, background removed:
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Background removed, slightly rotated:
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Mirrored, cropped and background removed:
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Have a look at his railway pics too, fairly sure there's some dupe crop shots, or at least very similar...

And look where he's from...well slap me with salmon if that isn't good old Songkhla, Thailand... so many of my recent "friends" seem to hail from those parts...
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It appears the duplicates here have been removed
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Incredible but I'm not sure this will end some day. I can remember that last year I reported a lot, then stopped (it takes to long time) and what is the result? They are now many more then before and I'm sure it will only get worse.
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Sadly I am starting to think that too Michelle. They get picked up for submitting a duplicate, it gets deleted and next day it's resubmitted. Maybe I am a bit on the tough side but I would delete the duplicate pic the first time and tell them to clean up their profile, both pics would be deleted if it happened again and then delete the account if it happened a third time. Chances are they would come back with a new log on and try the same thing all over again with hopefully the same result, deleting their accounts might give them the idea that there is no use in continuously submitting duplicates..
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Hello everyone, I hate to sound like a broken record but we are working on fixing the problems. It just can't be done overnight, no matter how much we would like it to be. I assure you we are trying to fix the problems.
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Well, I have spent the last few hours deleting all my pictures that have been stalled out and loosing. I will leave my winning and award winning photos but, I figure until Pixoto can get themselves together there is no purpose in posting new images. As long as they allow these picture mills to keep posting the same picts over and over there is no way someone who follows the rules will ever win anything other that a top 20 here and there. I am sorry to have to do this but I have heard various forms of we are working on it for the three months I have been here. So Sherry, please let me know when you actually accomplish something because I would really like to be involved in this community but "we're working on it" only works for so long.
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It makes it seem like a waste of time reporting these duplicates Michelle, It takes time to have a look and report duplicates on these pages that we would like to be doing other things. What we would like to see is IMMEDIATE ACTION on the ones that we report here so that we can see that something is indeed being done to address the epidemic of duplicates/too similar pics that are being posted.

It would mean that it would be circumventing the normal reporting procedure but it would be an open outward sign that something is being done.
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Mark, you're right with immediate action. Unfortunately these pics all get awards before they get deleted
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Just a note here, once the images are removed they lose their awards, if monetary awards were won but not given out they are lost as well.
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But for that person who placed second to a removed image- do they get bumped to a first place? Probably not- I can see that would be ridiculously difficult to manage- but that's the part that's hard if an image is left to win a daily award. Hopefully things can be dealt with in a timely manner for weekly at least.
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Sherry - no one is quibbling about the money here as far as I can see, they are questioning the speed (or lack thereof) in dealing with reports. When reported images start gathering monthly awards, more than two weeks after being reported, that means they are diddling other players out of their little pieces of HTML - which would have shown that they (the non-cheating players) submitted valid photos which would have been validly voted into an award-winning space, were it not for the incessant cheating behaviour of a growing minority.

The only issue about money is that many of us are pointing out that the possibility of monetary gain seems to make mommy's good boys and girls behave like ruthless dictators at a coup de tat. We are requesting that financial gain no longer create an incentive for cheating...
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Gaia, you and I both... sometimes I wish I had less to say- but sadly I am also like this in real life- noticing injustice and pointing it out.... I thought of making myself a superhero cape but somehow I thought others wouldn't approve??? lol.
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Sherry as gai pointed out it's not about the money, sorry but $'s given as awards is not an incentive for many here to submit pics. Most here are here for fun and to display and compete with their pics. It's when you see that others are not playing by the rules and are failed to be pulled up on them when people get frustrated and start looking for other avenues to display and compete with their work.

The pics that pointed out a couple days ago when eventually acted upon will result in the loss of daily,weekly, monthly and yearly losses for Mark Bansag.

I picked on these particular pics because it would be something that Mark couldn't help but notice and realize that just because it was some time ago it would not be left to pass.

Looks like Mark has deleted one that had no points (the monochrome duplicate) but the others are still there.
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OK so it's been 6 days since I reported Mark Anthony Bansag and his recrop of duplicates but still they are there. Why? More than enough time for the report team to have a look at and act. They are clear cut cases. Hopefully by bumping it to the top of the list some action will be taken?
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it seems to be to difficult to delete an account
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Hello everyone, it appears that all of the images listed in this thread with the exception of two have had their duplicates removed, the insects posing as flowers have also been sent home to the insect area of animals. Thank you all for your reports and for helping us to clean up the duplicates and wrongly categorized images,

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