losing credits when category is changed.

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If an image has a category change, please could we keep the results score from before the change was made? It's very frustrating when you've loaded a maximum number of duels (for LOADS of credits) only to lose them because somebody suggested a change of category!
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Ingrid, that would be really unfair. How would it be right to give an award to a photo of a butterfly, for example, that had originally been posted in Flowers, when all the duels it won were not against the other photos in Animals but instead were earned in a completely different category.

If you had a photo of a bird in Animals, for example, that was about to earn the #1 spot for the week and suddenly in comes a photo of a peacock that's earned an extremely high score because it was posted in Cities because it was in a park. It was in the wrong category yet everybody voted for it because it was pretty and now it comes into Animals with that score intact, more points than your bird photo, and takes away your #1 weekly award and the cash prize that you would have won. It would take that prize even though it earned the score by dueling in a completely different category. How would you feel about losing an award that you rightfully earned because of that? It wouldn't be right :-)
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Thank you Lenore, great explanation!
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Hi Lenore, I agree that were this the case I could understand it- however, in my case it was a Christmas composite creation which has musical instruments on a background of musical score. I had to make a decision on which category to put it into (there were not enough sub-divisions for me to add all the categories or, believe me, I would have, I promise). Based on the categories available under the main category, I could not add the one in which the image was re-categorized namely 'Typography'. I see many pictures of musical instruments with musical score in the image... so should these also be re-categorized as 'Typography' simply because there is some typed / printed word in the image? Yes, I have had another image re-categorized and I agree whole-heartedly with that one as I was new to Pixoto and couldn't find a category that matched that photo' as closely as it should have been matched. (I still am relatively new so I don't always get it - be patient with me, please).

So, in view of fairness, could one not keep the number of duels credited that were un-used at the time of re-categorization... since this was a new image, I had used the maximum credits and only had about 16 duels. Not sure how this part of a re-categorization works. Like I said, I'm still learning my way around this site. :-)
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I believe that Typography is when words or type has been added to an image, not photographs of type.
I agree it can be very difficult to find the right category, you can make it a little easier for yourself, by focusing on the main categories, as the sub ones don't actually matter.
The way I understand it, is that if you have a flower and categories it 'Single Flower' and there are several flowers in the photo, you should not loose points if it's moved to 'Flowers in the wild'.
However if the main focus of the image is butterflies rather than the flowers, it will most likely be re-categorised to animals and you will lose points.
Jasenka, Please correct if I'm wrong.
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We are free to change the SUBcategory of our images as often as we want, without penalty. Even if we do something silly, like put a photograph of a horse in Animals-Fish, it doesn't matter, because the category (Animals) is correct and that's all that matters. If you click on the Edit button below each of your photos and change the sub-category, you'll see that you don't lose points, awards, etc. That only happens when the category is changed. Sub-categories are just an organizational thing and even at that, fairly useless.
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Ingrid, could you post a link to the photo? If you didn't add type to it, it shouldn't have been put into Typography. Pixoto's Report Team isn't perfect and mistakes are made. It would assist all of us here who try to help :-) if we could see the image.
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But if she paid to boost the image she does not loose the boost credits does she. They transfer those over to the new category right? If you paid to boost an image and it gets re-categorized they really need to reapply the boost points to the new category.
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Nope, you lose ALL the credits and remaining credits aren't transferred.
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From my observations and personal experience.......If Pixoto recategorizes a photo when they shouldn't have, they typically are very generous about returning credits to you to make up for their error. But if you've made the mistake, then you pay the penalty, which is having the score go back down to zero and starting all over again in its proper category, fresh, no return of boost credits.

So, I guess, bottom line: if it's your error (putting a photo in a category where it shouldn't be) you're out of luck, but it it's their error then expect some credit compensation, usually an amount that is very fair.
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One other thing :-) If you're forking out loads of credits to keep unpausing an image, you're honestly wasting your credits. If your image gets off to a bad start, most of the time it will never reach high enough to get a daily award. And if you've passed the time for daily awards (your photo is only eligible for the daily award on the day it was submitted, only eligible for a weekly award for the week it was submitted, etc.) and are now shooting for a weekly award, well, that's even harder. Personally, If my images don't do well in their first five to ten duels, I just about always delete them and try again another day. Sometimes I get stubborn about it though :-)

(While that stubbornness works out for me sometimes, the majority of the time it does not.)

Pixoto staff have said that by the time an image has reached between 50 and 75 duels, it has basically settled in and its score won't change much, up or down. If you're still unpausing and/or boosting an image that's approaching 100 duels but hasn't reached an award-worthy score yet....please don't boost it anymore. Really. It's just a waste of your credits.

Also, if your image is doing well right from the get-go, my experience is just to let it be. If it goes along for a while and then suddenly seems to not be dueling over the course of a few hours, then perhaps boost it. If it's trending upwardly, it will usually keep going that way although its rise might slow down.

The duels are really like a game, and you have to develop your own strategy. It can all depend on the time of day, the day of the week, or weekend vs weekday. Different times and days can yield very different results. :-)
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Thank you everybody for all the comments and advice. It's all really been helpful. I've noticed that the image in question does seem to be running on the credits I began it with, so that's all good. It's a fun site, and as you say, Lenore, it is all about the timing and sometimes about the whims of voters on the day!
:-)
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Yes, Ingrid, the "whim" of the voters is a big factor. Good luck with your photos here! :-)
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:-) Thanks. Have a great day.

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