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Is this image not considered digital art? If so then it is in the wrong category.

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Sandy, given the new guidelines, I think this image is fine where it is.

"Photoshop/Post Processing Rules
In an effort to find the best, and most striking imagery, extensive use of Photoshop or other post processing techniques is allowed in all categories. However images that look like “digital art” rather than photography should be categorized as such."

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I agree Shirley, but viewing this image up close you clearly can see the change in fur and the nose that you know it is Photoshopped. But at a distance it looks natural. I love the image but it looks like digital art. Big difference to the white kitten that is leading, you can also see ever so slightly the same effect but it is more natural. I think it depends on the degree of Photoshop.
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This picture is beautiful but I must say, for me, it looks more like a painting as a photograph. I would like to know how to do it
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I agree Michelle, it is beautiful and it does look like a painting, so it needs to be moved to digital art. And yes, I would also like to know how to apply the effect.
Very cool indeed.

Does administration have a comment?
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I am not administration but I do feel the photo is a digital image. Every pixel in the original photo has been altered to the extent that none of the original photo is still there. It's like a hand colored photo. It is neither photo or painting. It is all digital. So according to the definition on pixoto (However images that look like “digital art” rather than photography should be categorized as such." ) I feel this image has a total digital look and therefore is digital art. I personally have never seen a cat in real life that looks like this image. :) A very beautiful and creative digital masterpiece. IMHO
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I see the points here but this is merely a fractilius or similar filter applied to the head. It would be good to have some clarification from admin, but to me applying an effect or filter to a photograph is not digital art. Some sites don't even let you use a photograph in digital art at all. The new guidelines call for the extensive use of photoshop. Now we are inter the interpretation as to what is 'extensive'.

I guess we all are entitled to have our own opinions. For me digital art means something created with or without the use of a photograph that has no resemblance to the original photograph. Fractals, compilations, fantasy scenes, drawings. But hey, that is just my opinion. I hope some of my photographs that I apply a filter to don't end up being brought up in the "court of the forum".
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I am curious as to what your opinion is as to how far someone can go with applying filters or effects before it is considered a digital creation. Would you consider the photo below a photo I could put in Pets-cats? or should I leave it in abstract/digital art? It is only a mirror filter.
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My opinion tells me that if the image is not a naturally occurring image that was created by light passing through a lens than it is not a pure photograph. Contrast and lighting adjustments are acceptible. IMHO
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Well my opinion, for what is is worth, lol is applying filters to enhance a photograph, to make it more artistic are just that, enhancing a photograph through photoshop. When you manipulate it beyond recognition, or change an entire scene through layers then for me it has crossed the line. You image is pretty unidentifiable so it is an abstract. It seems it would be your choice as to whether it belongs in Digital Art or Pets. In pets it would not win because you can't tell what it is. However, if you took that same eye and applied some selective coloring, or a fractilius type of filter to it, then it is still identifiable as an eye and just has been enhanced.

This for me is Digital Art

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

This one is not, although I am sure some would argue and it is then their right to vote against it

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

We have the pure photograph tag now if you wish to differentiate between pure and photoshopped.

This is an argument that carries across on photographic sites on the web and will always be subject to each persons opinion. You have the old school photographers who hate anything that doesn't just came right out of the camera, then you have the more artistic ones who would never post something that hasn't been processed to death. The extremes, but it is what it is in this modern day of computers and software programs designed to enhance photography. JMHO ))
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I agree with your opinion Shirley. The decision making process is like balancing on a rail. You have the old school on one side and the digital age on the other. I guess it boils down to what Pixoto decides. Also as far as the pure photo goes they have not implemented that for all users yet. I have scores of photos that I have marked as pure but the icon never shows up. I have been told they are working on it. :) It's all good and boils down to personal opinion and common sense. A few differences one way or the other is not going to destroy the fabric of the universe. :) Be well Shirley and keep uploading those gorgeous flowers and photos. You are a talented person.
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I removed the abstract photo I posted as it was not a very good one but I wanted to get my feet wet with more post processing ideas. I loved the filters Connie used on the kitty photo. Is that a photoshop plugin?
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Thanks Andrew:))

I am not sure what filter she used, it only looked similar to fractilius to me which works with several editing programs. Have a look at Flaming Pear which has several plug-in's at reasonable prices that works with Photoshop, Paint Shop Pro, Digital Image and I am sure many other editing programs
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aha Shirley, as I see you visited Wat Po in Bangkok. Great place for photos he?
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Yes, we really enjoyed Bangkok. We were only there for a day and were pretty much rushed around. Hopefully we will return with more time to spend and to shoot. I would love to visit the Wats in early light, must be amazing :)
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Wat Arun, on the other side of the Chao Praya river, is the oldest tempel in Bangkok. Arun means morning and there you have beautiful sunrises. And if you're lucky, you will see the boxers training old style boxing. I agree, one day is very short time, you need a month to see Bangkok. I'm lucky, I live in the South, actually about 700 km but I go each time I can. And if you have time (you need at least a day) go to the Safari World for animals picture. Watch youtube! Anyway, it's a great city with so many things to see
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While this is close to the line I think it falls on the side of Digital Art. Our current definition of Digital Art is:

"Digital Art – This includes photo montages, fantasy scenes, fractals, drawings and anything else that doesn’t fit into the typical definition of a photo. If it isn’t even trying to look real – put it here. "

It seems to me that this is clearly not trying to look real. It is meant to look like a painting.
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Thanks Jason.

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