Josh Gene /Joe Sajolan with another alias (aka photoclub friend)?

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By examining the droplet formations, both these images are obviously the same flower, the only differences being the zoom level and the slight difference in angle. The shot taken by Josh Gene is slightly to the left of the image by GF Saratario. I haven't been following the saga of Josh Gene/Joe Sajolan so I can't comment on that, but I do know that when "friends" or "photoclub" members are shooting together and shooting the exact same shot, you're going to consistantly get these kind of accusations that Sandra rightly brings to our attention.

As a photographer who wants my work to stand out from others and give me a "personal" identification, I would never shoot the same subject with friends, and to be more blunt, rarely shoot with anyone else. My advice to the people mentioned in this thread is to stop shooting the exact same subject from the same or almost same angle...be more creative and show us your individual talents, not just a duplication of other togs.
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Yes, if you're together at a lake with waterlilies, at least walk down the shore and pick a different lily....lol.

I do sometimes shoot with friends, photogs and non-photogs alike- it just happens none of them are here. However, I find it doesn't even matter if we are at the same place at the same time, our images NEVER look even remotely alike. I went for a walk with 3 other photogs to the same abandoned building. My images are all of the broken windows and doors. Someone else was obsessed with the river and the bridge beside us. Someone else was only getting wide views.
I even did a bridal photography workshop- and with the same instruction, the same pose, and similar lighting, all of us in the workshop could easily differentiate our images. So- the one thread in here where we noticed a few people had the same bridal model in the forest... a couple were nearly identical, but there were actually a few where I could tell it was the same model and scene, but the photo itself had enough significant differences that I could tell it was a different photographer.

I don't buy the argument that they put forward about shooting together as an explanation for these very similar images. It seems to me that if I set up the lighting and the flower (and even the water drops) and then you stand behind me or beside me, and take the same shot that I set up, with the camera settings that are the same as mine- and you use the same photoshop style then really it isn't even an original image.
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When I look at these things it reminds me of Drawing class in college. They would put a subject in the middle of the room and all of the artists sitting shoulder to shoulder in a circle around the subject would draw it. The reason these photos remind me of that is because of the slight difference in angle of the shot. I keep picturing tripods set up around a subject in a class type setting. It just seems to me that if a person were going to cheat to win money that they would submit photos in different categories rather than compete against themselves.
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this wasn"t mentioned in this particular thread.. but I know a lot of times I see postings referring to Exif missing from suspected photos where cheating or duplicates, or worse 'stolen' images may be the case... and have noticed speculation of 'why' the Exif was missing... but I just discovered something that can sometimes explain why on some photos there is no Exif.... My son just started in Novice here at pixoto and has limited funds, he has a great camera but could not afford the software for a good editing program, so he uses one of the free ones.....and with that particular software he is using it removes all Exif.... so when he posts a photo.... there is simply no info that shows up.. he recently purchased Photoshop Elements, so that solved that issue.. but it could be that sometimes when the info is missing.. that the person is using a free software program and not removing the info for malicious or devious reasons.
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http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

As of today, Josh Gene's profile is gone, but this image is on Saratario's profile.
I'm pretty sure this image originated from Josh Gene's site originally. Darn I wish I could find a screenshot...
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Sandra ... No it has not ... it's still active ... http://www.pixoto.com/genejoshzyd
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And I do belive it is this image: http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra... without water drops ... but the same shadow ...

And if I remember correctly ... John was having last week 74 or so images, today only 54 ... Reducing images by Pixoto or by him self?
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Neither of those links work- so I assume they have been deleted while I was away for 24 hours?
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Funny thing ... Josh reduced (or did Pixoto that) from 74 to 54 and now only 41 images ... http://www.pixoto.com/genejoshyd
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You have to go to the Leaderboard / Top Players and you'll find them both ...

Or you can find them here :)

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

#1 and #13 image ...
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And again, as soon as I saw the photo Josh Gene pops into my mind, was actually surprised I didn't see it in his portfolio, and instead i saw it in Saratario's profile... I thought I misread the name, because I distinctly remember that photo belonging to Josh...

And even more interesting how can Saratorio have -2 images?
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And very convenient ... no Image Info/Exif ... :D

One image is Water Lilly, the other is avatar (profile picture) ...
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Nope, it actually say "-2" like in negative number :)

It doesn't say he has 2 images, but "-2" :)
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LOL ... Well, if you are posting negatively acceptably images, you get the negative number ... :D
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Where are the images? And how could he/she be the Photographer of the Year without any images and awards ... only one image ...

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:)
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Looks like he's getting away with it again.
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Darrell we are looking into it, with the tech issues yesterday everyone was kind of busy
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Can anyone find Josh's and Saratorio's account on Pixoto? I can not.. and all links report page not found...

Edit: Just found Saratorio's account.. back to 1 photo online, the one photo is missing (since it won award, I wander how it could be removed) and again with "-2" photos :D

He is changing his id name more often then I change my underware :D :D

Now it is http://www.pixoto.com/gfsaratoriozyd143
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Yes you can ... Josh got now only 41 image ... Saratorio got still -2, but shows only one, from today ...

Or here ... http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

#1 and #13 image ...
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I strongly believe that this is also an original sajolan image on her page- I remember the little thread on the bottom left petal.
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yeaicanreadistheresomethingwrongwiththat - enough said.
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And for his GFSaratorio account: http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
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Followed by username of 'biteme'? No, Josh you dear boy, nothing wrong with it at all! <>
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Here is the proof of who this person is!

https://www.facebook.com/gfsaratorios...

picture of avatar
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...

And here is her blog ...
http://genefaithisawayfromhome.com/20...

The picture she posted on the Pixoto is obviously not hers (don't looks like) ... but find out your self ...

And this is Josh Sajolan ...

https://www.facebook.com/josh.sajolan...

The rest ... figure it out yourself ...
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Hello all, none of the alt screen names listed worked for me. If you see this again please take a screen shot and send it to me at Sherry@Pixoto,com thank you.
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Thanks Uros...I hadn't considered going to facebook- great idea.
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Well Sandra ... you are wellcome ...

But, as I was following for the last month activity on Pixoto, and the responses of the Pixoto team about reports and things like this one with Joe Sajolan alias Josh Gene ... and duplicates/similar images, and wrong categories issues ...

I'm 5 minutes away from deleting my account ... I really understan John, Darell, Bill and some others with their responses (but obviously nothing is changing, I don't see it ... only some small actions) ... And quite frankly, even if it looks like I'm all the time here, and I'm not, I don't have time for playing something what doesn't work ... as I notice some good photographers have already "left the building" or just stoped posting images ... I'm getting there to close the door ... I know nobody would care if I am here or not ... but if I can get it, and go away (and I'm not the best, but can say, that I'm above average with my images), so could better and worst ones also leave (and some already did) ... today I got recategoried one image from the same category to the same category ... one image from one category to another (and the description of the category is on my side) ... one image was deleted (this I was expecting, but according to the others images that were reported and left alone is my image less similar than the others who were left) ... What is going on?

Josh Gene or Joe Sajolan is the issue for a few months now ... I needed 5 minutes to figure it out where and how to look ... and find out who is who, what he is doing, who is the mystery girl ... All that in 5 minutes!!! And it is not up to us to do this ... I'm not payed for that!!! And where is the action from Pixoto (I know that I'm not the only one asking this question), perhaps this comment will be also deleted from the team as some previous ...?

So, once again!? What is going on on the Pixoto???
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Thank you for all of this
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GF Saratorio (http://www.pixoto.com/genefaith) profile with 4 images now. But wait a minute... with 7 images under Leading tab at same time???
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This images are not hers ... and they are both still here???
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Well no they won't as he's changed it back to "josephsajalon" - the username can be changed as often as a person likes as you know. He was changing it overnight in response to this thread. Does the Pixoto system keep an audit of those kind of changes?

I have a screenshot of the "yeaIcanreadsomethingwrongwiththat" stage if that helps?

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This little drama has become so confusing and tedious I have basically ignored it with the exception of my initial post which is the promoted response to this thread. I did see Josh Gene submit in the Animal category yesterday:

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

and clicking on his name came up with the same screen shot as Clare provided above:

http://www.pixoto.com/josephsajolan

If this person has multiple accounts and is causing all this chaos on Pixoto, I don't understand why his account hasn't been deleted. Again, this is a case of where banning his IP address would be a great help and perhaps put an end to this discussion, in which he clearly delights and enjoys the attention, while at the same time making a mockery of this site.
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From GF's profile (screenshot earlier today)
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from Josh's facebook page (screenshot today)
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I just now realized that I submitted the wrong image here- I do have a screenshot of Josh's facebook page too... I just uploaded the wrong one. Good thing too, because those photos are gone from his facebook now.
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It's sad that photographers, who come to this site to post their works to a fairly vast audience to view, have to spend their time "investigating" togs who want to play games with their identities, and in the process screw up all those who might have had a chance at a little positive recognition. Uros, Sandra, Jasenka, Darrell and Claire, as well as others...I don't think you signed up for this site to play detective and it's a shame you have had to spend your valuable time doing what you're doing.

I'm truly begging Pixoto staff to do something about this particular tog and all his aliases. Put an end to all this manipulation so we can get back to what we love and why we came here in the first place.
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John... I am a bit of a dog with a bone- and I can't let things go - it's my own personal little trait- so don't feel bad about my time.
That being said, I feel like there are togs here who play games purely to suck people like me into it- and the professional side of me who has extensively studied behavioural modification knows that we are just reinforcing it by giving it public attention....lol.
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Why is GF Sratorio profile still online?

We have proven here that Josh Gene's photos were posted on that profile yesterday (portraits).

So it has to be removed for infringing Josh's copyright /:) sorry, just had to, we all know the truth here/ (and we all know what happens to profile who is using somebody elses photos), or it is Josh's second profile using his own photos (and we all know what happens if somebody is having 2 profiles, he was already caught doing that).

Anyhow Saratorio profile has to be deleted...ASAP...
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He's still here, on both profiles. I really don't get it, but I've had enough anyway. It appears these Thai "chameleon" accounts are untouchable and Pixoto is unwilling/unable to moderate them. I'm not going to bother any more since no matter how much evidence we gather, these asshats still sit there laughing.

What with the new trend in images gaining high scores and then plummeting, the sudden drop in "popularity" most images have at 500 points and then again at 700 points (while still dueling the same types of images...?) and the ridiculously slow votes on most days - it's become a painful and unpleasant process to compete on here.
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I'm getting paranoia.
And becoming suspicious...
Have you ever stumbled on the profile with zero pictures but hundreds of followers?
With identical comments (copy/paste) below your image and appeal to participate in the contest photos on some internet site?
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You mean http://www.pixoto.com/mialauren2012? Seen a lot of comments on images from her, always copy/paste: "Mia Lauren Amazing Click ...! Just followed you :) I would like to invite you to upload this picture in the ongoing photography contest on (I removed the URL). Do let me know when you upload your clicks,would love to be the first one to vote for you :)"
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Mia is "very active on Pixoto" lol ...

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
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Maybe too much active, for my taste... lol
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I agree :)
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Just that! I wonder why I'm not surprised! ;-)
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Well I looked into it, and anyone who submits content to that site grants them complete copyright of that content, irrevocable. Basically you end up giving them your content for free.

"License Granted By Uploading Content
By submitting your Entry, you irrevocably grant (Removed name), its successors, subsidiaries, parent and related companies, transferees, licensees, assignees, and third parties acting on (Removed name)'s behalf, a perpetual, non-exclusive worldwide, royalty-free right and license to use, exhibit, license, sub-license, distribute, perform, post, display, copy, publish, promote, re-format, reproduce, prepare derivative works of, adapt, make available online or electronically transmit and exploit the Submission, for free, in whole or in part, alone or in combination with other content or material, for any purpose whatsoever, in any in any media formats and through any media channels known now or devised in the future (including by way of example but in no way a limitation, the Internet, television, IPTV, home video/DVD, theatrical, mobile devices, and through any future means or methods of downloading and/or streaming now known or hereinafter devised), on the (Removed name) website or any associated media platform connected to (Removed name)."

So anyone thinking of submitting to them, don't....
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Again ... today!?

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

Come on ...
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Again... why is Saratorio's folio still online?

It's either a thief or duplicate account... in either case it should be removed...

I don't know why Pixoto allows that.. If it was somebody elses account (and we have seen removing account for sealing or being duplicate) it would be gone long time ago....

And also other threads addressed by Pixoto, and this one is being just ignored.. ?
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I wanted to let everyone know, we are in the process of blocking the two accounts discussed in this thread, we had plenty of evidence that they two accounts were controlled by the same person which is a violation of the contest rules. The Player has been notified and the accounts are being blocked.
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Thank you for that information Sherry, hopefully this will be the end of it :)
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Just a question ... the account of Josh Gene and GF Saratorio are still active and images are in the IMAGEDUELS ... I just notice that ... are the accounts staying or not? Deleting somebody shouldn't take so much time ... if the Pixoto decided that they didn't follow the rules ...
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I will ask Uros.
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Not that its necessary any longer, but this was the photo I intended to upload before.
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It appears they were resubmitting images that were already there.
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Yes, That we all figure it out ... but isn't it cheating? And for cheating you get banned!? Just asking ... because I don't understand what is happening now ...
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They should not be able to submit or resubmit any images. Uros I don't have any more information on the situation, I am sorry
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Since "todays" images could have been resubmitted about 23 hours ago, it's possible that it was before the team was able to take action.
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Ok the image submitted on the 24th has been removed

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