Near duplicates, duplicates - WHY IS THIS STILL ALLOWED BY SOME MEMBERS? it's getting obvious.

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his whole collection needs to be cleaned out!

duplicate- http://www.pixoto.com/josephsajolan/r...

It isn't the members responsibility to regulate other members- or if it is- give us the power to do more then send a report that gets responded to too late every time.

I'm asking a direct question to Jason- and please answer-

Why wont you use image recognition software?
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he must really like his boat and bike
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Unfortunately they are many of them. And all the duplicates togs have lots of points and awards. They all are on top of the leaderboard. Something is wrong. There must be a reason but what is the reason of all this? why are these togs still here?
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AGREE!
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You are right Michelle. I observed that the similar or nearly duplicate images were taken in the same date.
i consider this as a solution to the problem and at least one photographer should really take an effort on this one, "There must be a capturing date rule" why? example in one category let say "animal,landscape,portrait,or nature, you have ten beautiful shots taken and because of the date rule you can only submit one among the ten. So, in doing this at least there is an effort for the photographer to go out again the next day if he/she wants that the same subject. i hope members of the community or even the admin consider this.
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I don't think that will work; people who have easy access to the subject matters that win will still go back to the same places each day and take similar photos.

Either that or they will download software to allow them to change the EXIF data to make photos taken on the same day appear to be taken on different days.

Janna's point about image recognition software is the only feasible option.
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note that Pixoto didn't respond......
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A warning has been issued to the photographer in question in addition to the warning I reported all of the duplicates and similar images
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maybe allow only one picture of each subject every day (or better every other day). I must say, I also have easy access to lotus flowers and water lillies (in my garden). I could take pictures of them every day but I already have 3-4 in my portfolio (more than enough I would say). Oh and yes, please answer Janna's question regarding the image recognition software. This is a very good question
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My question also is, is there a software for that? if there is, it should be an image recognition for capturing date rule.
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I think the date rule is too broad. A great nature photog might go out for a walk once per week and get a dozen great nature photos of different subjects, or a few of a subject from extremely different perspectives. A portrait photographer might work in more than one great pose or setting with a child or model during one session.
However, If we saw two or even three from a photog of similar (but not identical) subject matter in a day, OR if we saw new subject matter or variety even from the same day, I don't think we'd be having this conversation.
I know some photogs make a living doing photos of only one subject matter. Some hobby photgs only have access to one model - their friend or their child. However, I still think they should do it with variety, and not rely on repetition or changing the angle by 2 degrees, and then shooting 1 inch from the left, and then 1 inch from the right, or 20 slightly different facial expressions in the same outfit in the exact same location.
If I see photos of your child, or your pet, inside, outside, running, sitting, frowning, walking- on different days in different light.. .that's awesome.
If I see that you do photos of pencils, but you always manage to surprise me with your angle, your lighting or the way you arrange them, that's OK too.

I think this is an example where 'common sense' isn't so 'common'.
AND I don't think we're talking about people who duplicate or add similars without intent- or people who just love to take photos of their own dog..... I think we're specifically addressing a high level of routine and regular repetition that is "barely" squeaking by inside the technicalities of the rules.

I've said before- it maybe doesn't matter alot for low ranked images- but I think that there should at least be a human person screening the top 20% daily a few times, but definitely before awards- and if they're caught then, the screening for weekly and on should be easy. If we are just on here for fun, and our eyes catch these things (yesterday two duplicates, one b&w, one colour actually duelled side by side... easy to see... other days, duplicates are side by side in the top 10) then I think that a person being paid would be able to see it too.
Duplicate screening software would be awesome, but we're talking about things we see with the naked eye. AND, when in doubt, if you're a staff, look closer (especially because there's a team of players reporting things)
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I agree date submissions wont work, I recently traveled to another state, I went to several different waterfalls, took pictures of several farms, some still life of equipment and plants, the ocean, etc and all were done on the same day, there is no chance I will get back to those locations in the next several months because they are so far away.
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if there's no solution that you can think of what else could be done with this problem? What my suggestion is trying to prove here is the effort a tog. This is a competition and a tog should take effort rather than take many shots of one subject and submit for the whole week or month.
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I think it has more to defining the word "similar"
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I'm not sure who said there was no solution... just because a photographer shoots at many locations in one day does not mean there is no effort involved. It can be exhausting to shoot in multiple locations in one day, but it is done all the time by pros as long as conditions are right (lighting weather etc)

Sandra correct, there is no software that I know of that can identify the subject of a photo and compare it to other subjects in your portfolio. This takes human eyes.
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Bless your hearts Janna, Michelle, Sandra, Charliemange and all the others who continue to complain about the same offenders and try to make a difference in this community. I think it is so sweet that you all give so much time trying to make this a fair competition and improve the site. Thank you all. Hopefully one day you will all get together and create this dream site you strive so hard for cause I will be the first to sign up. Pixoto does not thank you enough for doing their job for them so I just wanted to take a moment to thank you all. Oh and Darrel Raw, can't forget him, his sarcasm and no bull shit post keep a smile on my face. and all the others, you guys ROCK!!!! keep up the great work,
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To be fair with lilies, roses, daisies and other flowers that were exposed with similarity kindly also check this tog's work please. http://www.pixoto.com/parto
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Thank you for the report Charliemagne, I will check it out
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It's been one day Sherry. Have you seen or checked if there are duplicates or similar images of the above tog? thanks.
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I am sorry I worded that poorly, I checked it out when I posted the comment, I found a few duplicates
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Hai Sherry...please check out this photographer, I see there are some duplicates photos ..... http://www.pixoto.com/yudi.prabowo3/r... & and this one http://www.pixoto.com/kasihnuratie
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Hi Dian, thank you for the report, I will look into the accounts
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this foto http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra... duplicate with http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra..... just change the color, is it allowed?
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Hi Dian, no it is not allowed. It has been removed.
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Thank you again Dian, I swear those were removed a day or two ago, but they have been removed now.
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Thank you for the report Charliemagne, I reported them as well..
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Please make an action too. 'coz in fact all my reports had been ignored. Don't make me think that there are biases which comes to reporting. Cheers!
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Im not sure I understand Charliemagne?
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What i'm trying to say i even create a thread about dups image but they were ignored by the team. those images that i have reported they were still on the leaderboard just like this one http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra... andhttp://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra... and now the above pictures.
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Charliemagne, I report every image you all link in your threads, and usually some more from the accounts, so if your reports are not being taken action on neither are mine, it has nothing to do with who sends it in
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Thank you for the clarification Sherry. I hope those duplicate pics would be remove soon.
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You don't need to be sorry, Charliemagne. You're a fine photographer and I have the utmost respect for your work.

That being said, I have 700 images on Pixoto, and most of them are animal images. In the past, when I have unwittingly tried to submit a shot that has been submitted before, I get a warning pop up that tells me it is a duplicate. In this case it was not an exact duplicate (slight variation in the tongue length) so the pop up didn't appear. Looking at the two shots now, it certainly was very similar, so I guess it was justified in being deleted. Just difficult to lose a shot that had over 770 points...lol! I only wish the report team had acted that fast on the true b&w/color dups I have reported and still remain with awards and points. I guess it's good to be you and have that kind of pull
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I can see it being frustrating for the honest photog who has made a mistake- but gets their image pulled- when others seem to do it repeatedly and deliberately but their images stay up. That definition of "similar" seems too broad. I can't see the image that was pulled from the links above, BUT- I see MANY similar images that aren't pulled on a regular basis.
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I think they are to many and a day has only 24 hours, this is to short time to check all (lol). But seriously, soon, all the fair togs will leave Pixoto and it will be a cheater community. It's so sad because Pixoto was really good
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You're right Michelle to many in a day but why most of the reporters here are just concentrating on nature and yet there also some duplicates in other categories. Maybe that where there entry is, am i right? just an observation michelle.
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Right, this must be because many people upload pictures in the landscape category and when they want to see where they stay, they see the duplicates. If you want to check all the categories, it takes a lot of time. But there are also a lot of reported pictures in the animal category. Anyway, there are so many that it could be a full time job to check all
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Why not appoint moderators for each category
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Charliemagne, where is the bridge in your portfolio? i think it's not far from Hat Yai, am I right?
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The bridge and even the mosque is not. around 3 kilometers from my place but it will soon end for me. just wanna take more shots with different sky background.
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where is your place?
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Hatyai
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great, I love Hatyai
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Thank you for your report Charliemagne, I reported it as well.
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Sometimes they are so easy to find- often right at the top of the leaderboard!
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http://www.pixoto.com/toni.panjaitan
And it's not like it was an accident or not noticed- they are side by side in leading images on his profile.
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Image recognition software does exist.

Google image search... finds matching and sometimes not so matching copies of what you "show" it.

Image recognition software identifies duplicate photos- regardless of what the picture is of. It works by recording "snap shots" of several areas of each photo it scans- recording the unique arrangement of individual pixels within that area (cheap versions use a single center sample, while advanced programs sample up to 16 places.

Each new 3 pixel(average) "sample" is compared with all those in its data base. Un like humans- the program is able to ignore color changes, rotation and flipping and just view the pixel info as a data map. Matching data map= duplicate picture. It also is able to read the photos original image map- for example- have you noticed when you do photoshop work on an image - like crop etc- you save it- but when you later view the thumbnail when looking in a folder- it shows the unaltered version. Even if you duplicate an image and alter the duplicate- it will still show up in its pre changed form- thats because that data is retained. This is also why you can do all sorts of changes to it- and still have it be detectable- it compares the core pixel data.

This program came with my moms last computer which she got years ago, She ran it on her old drive (took hours to process) It worked flawlessly- finding every copy (or even 35 copies!) of every photo she downloaded onto that computer. It even was able to "collect" all the copies into a single folder- eliminating the need to figure out where each copy was located. It didn't matter what the photo was of- it even matched totally blurry photos- and those so dark - almost no details are visible. It found those she cropped, flipped, inverted, re-named- copied- emailed, even scanned photos!

What it can't do is find 15 photos taken in a row of the same flower. The data wont be a match since it doesn't view the image as a whole- Face recognition software comes with a data bank of face shapes. Smile software is full of smile samples. These programs view pixel data in face size areas-

Pixoto did start using people recognition software but its not a good version of it because it rarely sees people in my photos.

Hopefully this explains what program I'm talking about well enough for them to know what to buy for the site.
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this is great.Well done Janna. I'm sure Pixoto could find the name of this software. Wait and see what they say about this.
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Most boring portfolio i have seen so far http://www.pixoto.com/yudi.prabowo3. And is still there and is still winning so many daily awards, It is really shame because its shadows all other great child portraiture out there. I don't have words to describe how on Earth Pixoto.com allows this and is in front of our eyes almost every day. What about that rule that similar images can not be entered!
We got it, its pretty looking child, great eyes and very photogenic ... but please please give us something else too.
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What? 70 images of the same child in the same hood is repetitive?
But he changes his angle or his pouty face ever-so-slightly in each photo.
Didn't you notice the differences?
(please read this with a sarcastic tone).
I get frustrated with repetition myself.
I think if you find a good subject, or a winning photo formula- then maybe pick your top 3-5 images to showcase- but showing the same type of image day after day gets frustrating.
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I have reported this one also!! This needs to be dealt with! :/

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