Is it just me or is the voting slow? Seems like it takes forever to get votes.

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Joe Ormonde

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Seems more like,.if you sign up to "PRO", you will have the duels Keri,..but then you have to fight through the junk that is submitted.
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It has been like this for over a week or 2 now. I think what is happening now is they allocate the duels for the photos over a larger range of hours to get votes from different timeszones. To have a larger diversity of votes from different places.

This is just an assumption.:)
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Michael Ripley

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Or maybe all the people who used to vote have had enough and left.
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Joe Ormonde

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You could be onto something there Michael..
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Diane Bell

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I find the voting on this site hard to understand. I don't have a lot of faith in its fairness and acccuracy. Voting has slowed down and yes, Michael ,you are on to something. I (for one) have had enough. The voting is without a doubt scewed. For example, some of my images have been paused...even thought they have better ratings than some that have not been paused. None of it makes much sense. Because of this and what others have said here, it looks like you definiately will not get and accurate assessment of your images here.
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Well, as i see, number of total votes are going up normally as before. But for example, my 2 submitted pictures in 12h got 39 and 27 votes all day! And i havent left them w/o boost for more then ~15min. Sometimes, more then 6h i didnt get 1 vote. I noticed this since last few days. There is no way in hell, if im not PRO, that this way any picture can even compete for picture of day (or top 20%)...
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Sandra Veech

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I've been checking in every few hours, and it seems that my images haven't gotten that many duels in between my checks. It really does seem to be slower today. (and I hadn't posted anything earlier this week, so I can't speak for other days)
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This is what happens. Yesterday I also uploaded a picture: 19 votes for the day!!!
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Charlie

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i had posted only one image last week 'coz of this problem. i resubmit many times this week but the problem is still the same. so, i deleted all my entry this week. is something wrong with the voters or the algorithm?
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Sandra Veech

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I submitted a photo late last night- in time for the April 18th submissions. I'm a pro member, and it still only has 44 duels- but it's ranking well among the other images- because they each only have similar low numbers of duels.
Other times I've had images shoot up the rankings and have 40 duels within a few hours.
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Charlie

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Perhaps the team should explain what is going on.
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Sherry Andreason

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Hi Everyone,

I am sorry for the slow response, I wanted to check with the rest of the team to see what was happening. We installed a new algorithm to detect and prevent voting fraud and it is having a small impact on votes, the tech team is keeping an eye on things to make sure it is not impacting all voting. The impact has been fairly small, around 10%.
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Sandra Veech

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Nice to hear that steps are being taken to prevent cheating. I know I'm a big reporter of things here, but it's honestly in the spirit of making things better- so if something gets better, I'll be the first to say "yay".
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Sherry Andreason

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I thought some of the Players here would like that part. :)
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Joe Ormonde

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Now,..Sherry, you have got me thinking about .....how do anybody make fraud votes??........that never even crossed my mind to be possible if you do not know what photos are going to come up in the duels.
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Sandra Veech

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My husbands friend who is a computer geek suggested that it's pretty easy to create an auto-vote bot with image recognition. Sure, it might vote randomly for others, but when it sees your own it would vote. Not that there's any evidence of that, but it's an example.
Or, less technically, you could have your friends and family sign up and every time you submit - you know your image is likely to come up frequently in the first hour or so, just have them do lots of voting. Or, similarly, sign up for multiple accounts to vote.
OR- after a time you get to recognize others work- or you can check the leaderboard to see who is close to your image...and when one of those images comes up, you could vote against it just to reduce scores.
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All seems very technical,...who has that kind of capability??...just to gain a few votes,....and the second one would be very hit and miss...
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Sherry Andreason

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I do not have the technical knowledge to even guess how it is done.
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Joe Ormonde

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And now I cannot even log into my account,....if this is the way things work here ...fine,..ask some relevant questions,...get NO answers, and then block me from getting into my own account,....well,...I want my photos back,.....and if this is not resolved very quickly, I WILL take serious and further action
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Sherry Andreason

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Joe we are not blocking you from accessing your account. It is working fine, you can access it at http://www.pixoto.com/sheasoru
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Yes,...it is working now,...but it has not been working all day,.....does not matter now anyway,....I have my mind made up.
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I am glad you can access it, we do not block people from their accounts, we do not have the ability to do that. If the images violate the rules they are removed, if a Player is found to be cheating the account is deleted or disabled from uploading. So there had to have been a technical problem when you tried it before.
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Only affecting 10% ?

A new algorithm is a great idea if it stops vote cheating but i am curious how you can detect someones opinion we all have our own and unless there is a pre determined outcome how can you say someones opinion is right or wrong ?

admittedly there are people who sit and press one button repeatedly or maybe rhythmically press alternate ones other than that my opinion might not fit your algorithms predetermined choice ?

As to the 10% i have noticed over the last couple of weeks my photos are getting nowhere near the positions i have been achieving up to 2 weeks ago, now if my images are not as good fine but i didn't think so ?
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Sherry Andreason

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I am not sure exactly how it works or what it looks for Ralph. I am sorry.
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Ralph the only change we have made to dueling occurred last Wednesday night (pst). Other than that we have not made changes in months. So anything that has occurred before that is just normal variability.

I can't disclose the inner workings of our anti-cheating algorithms but will say that we don't throw out somebody's votes because of a few bad votes they make and that some of our algorithms focus on specific kinds of votes rather a users overall voting pattern.
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It's not just slow voting, it's less voting. I've had a few top 10 images for the day with scores only in the mid 500s, whereas I would normally expect mid 600s. An image that I submit 2 days ago which got to #6 for the day has STILL only received 33 duels.

This isn't a 10% margin. This is a whole load of duels either being discounted or just not happening in the first place.
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I wouldn't go so far as to say it is deliberate..... but it is interesting to think if you pay you get votes as is the selling point !,

however if you don't,???
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I'm a pro member, and I've had images getting FAR less duels than usual. An image I submitted 3 days ago only has 46 duels. I had a cat image, #3 of the day - it had only had about 40 duels at the time and barely over 500. A couple of other of my pet images are still in the 400s, where I think they probably should be ranking in the 500s (based on similar images in my portfolio AND expecting that anything in the 500 barely makes top 10% often). I think that EVERYONE is experiencing slower duelling and lower scores.
If you look at the top images in ALL of photography from yesterday, (April 20) only 2 are over 700 at this point (I think there are usually more images than that over 700?) AND the highest image, of a woman in a hood is ranked 736 (as of this moment) by Saeed Arabzadeh- who isn't a pro member. The third highest rank is a bride with a flowy dress by Ichram Pakpahan- also not a pro member with a score 693. #5, 6, 7, 9 & 10 are also not pro members.
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I am sorry if i offend i did not mean to dig at any member or group of members i merely said it was a coincidence that in 1 category on 2 consultative days the majority of high placed images were pro,

I realize it is affecting lots of members across several categories but like you my images are not getting the duels and no where near the scores i am used to, in my case it concerns me because 20% and 10% positions are worth nothing and my position on the player leader board will drop !!

As it is this i play for mostly, losing potentially higher scoring places dose me NO GOOD at all !!!
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don't be sorry, I'm not offended at all- there definitely IS something different happening with the duels and the image scores- I just think it's affecting PRO members too.
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An example of one of the "glitches".... I submitted an image under People-family. That day- April 19- it got so few duels (even though it was winning more than losing) that it barely got above 500 that day- and didn't even rank in top 20% for the day. I was considering resubmitting it- but today I looked & it's around 620 now (not high for some people, but relative to most of my images- that's one of my higher ranked)- and it's at about top 6% for last week- which means it might keep duelling and make top 5% for the week, which is really exciting for me in the people category- so I think I'm going to leave it there.
BEFORE the new voting, I have never had a photo get a weekly ranking without even placing in a daily category...
I am a pro member- so the benefit I suppose is that I was guaranteed to keep duelling no matter what... however, even 'non-pro' members photos tend to keep duelling if they are winning the majority- so this image probably would have kept going no matter what.
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I posted some six images today in various Categories and only one got past 16 Duels so Far !!!!!
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Sherry Andreason

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Hi everyone, the script affects all accounts / voting similarly. It was not targeted at certain types of accounts but at all duels to prevent cheating.
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So basically an alteration made to stop people ruining the site for everyone else is ruining the site for everyone,

Sorry to sound negative but its the irony of the matter that's just a little ........ well Strange,!
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I am sorry you feel that way Ralph, I don't understand how making the voting system more honest is a bad thing. If everyone is experiencing lower numbers but the outcome is more accurate then it is a good thing from what I can see. This change was made due to demands from the community to stop people from cheating. We are keeping an eye on it to make sure it is not affecting honest voting.
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I agree if the outcome is less "cheating" but and maybe its just a coincidence, points are lower and award places are lower ! and due to the points system 10% & 20% places are absolutely useless its only top 10 places that make any real difference to the leader board and if you get enough of them, 5%s will make a little difference too, 10% and 20% whilst they are an achievement it is far better to resubmit in fact that is the only good thing to do with them points wise.!
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Ralph if everyone's score is lower then lower scores would win higher awards. If the highest score in any given category is 600 then that will be the one that wins, just because last month it would have needed a score of 720 to win is irrelevant. If no one can reach 720 now because dishonest voting has been nixed.
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This all seems to me to be cloak and dagger stuff.
What are Pixoto hiding behind?
I would much prefer and in fact endorse it if you said that by becoming Pro members we would be treated similarly ...thank you,...
But this on going debate is just stupid,...
I have still not had answers regarding the stock images and where the royalties end up,....something which I would expect easy straight forward answers to.
Sherry,..you are a pawn in my view,...I have no gripe with you my love,..where are the boys who run this show??....where are the ones who we know are quick to answer all the simple questions??
It looks like Pixoto is becoming faceless,....and where is Jason??,,,,,he was very vocal early on in my queries????? come out Jason where ever you are??
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Joe Ormonde

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It would appear the best runs to the bottom Jason..........when the going gets tough..............
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Sherry Andreason

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Jason is currently out of town, he can not respond at the moment.
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Thank you all for concern over this and I'm sorry for the frustration. We really are trying to make the duel process more reliable and the method we are using is causing an unexpected decrease in the overall number of duels. We have a fix for this that we will be launching later today.

Overall we think these changes will dramatically increase the quality of the duels received - which will make the entire Pixoto experience better. This by necessity means we will be throwing out more duels that are of low quality and the number of duels that each image receives will decline somewhat. We do however feel that it is better to receive less duels if they are of better quality than more random or malicious votes - we just need to make sure that PROs do not have an unfair advantage.

Thank you for your patience while we improve.
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Sandra Kenny-Veech

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Thanks for taking a moment to let us know that you're working on this Jason. I'm sure system changes on a worldwide website with 24/7 minute by minute action happening take some time to roll out.
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Great to see you back Jason,....now maybe we can get some information regarding
stock sales,....beneficiaries,... % per sale to the artist and the supplier,...the usual stuff that stock Photography sites provide.
Thanks in advance......again.
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For stock sales the information that we provide is at www.pixoto.com/become-a-stock-contrib...

We do not disclose the number of sales that we have made. We do give a complete list of all photos that a player sells at www.pixoto.com/settings/earnings

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