I will now post series of 30-50 very similar photos

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These are number one and two in the nature category
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and these 2 are number 3 and 12
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I have a hard disk with 35,000 flower pictures. Most of them are series of 30-50 photos very similar. I'm thinking of posting all of them. It seems ok as nothing changes despite all the complains and reporting.
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Michelle. While I usually let these types of thing slide I have to say that I think this is really unfair criticism - both of our efforts and of the photographers you have called out.

Specifically - while the first set is very clearly similar and one will be deleted - you did not report them until 2.5 hours ago. As I have told you several times in the past it takes us up to 72 hours to get through all reports (but usually about 24). Also the photographer in question has a very diverse and beautiful portfolio and does not deserve to be singled out for public criticism.

As for the second set of images - again you reported 2.5 hours ago. Additionally while they are definitely similar they do not cross the line where we would delete one. If the photographer's portfolio was full of different variations of the same image we'd probably pare them down and warn the photographers. But in this case Nikola has a diverse and wonderful portfolio at we think adds value and doesn't need editing.

Please send this kind of feedback to me directly in the future because I don't think that publicly calling out these members is helpful for our community.

Thank you
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Jason I have seen his portofolio and agree that he has beautiful photos. And it was not about the time, I know you need time to check them. And again it was not about THIS photographer. It's just that I still see many duplicate and cropped pictures and I thought it is not allowed. I'm just sometimes disappointed to see how people (don't) read the rules. Here is the problem, not on your side
Sorry if you didn't understand this, I didn't want to upset you
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Be true to your own beliefs Michelle. Don't give in and do something you have been fighting so hard against just because others are doing it. I know it is frustrating but don't let the frustration compromise your values. One needs to ask ones self, "Is this really worth me becoming what I am not and don't want to be?" This is just a web site with thousands of different people who have their own belief system. For me I am trying very hard to keep my emotions out of this site. But when dealing with egos it is very hard. I will leave the site and go back to just posting on facebook if things ever get that bad. As Janna said there are other sites out there but none as unique as Pixoto. Yes there are many things that are frustrating but it is all a part of growing a site. Deep breaths and nice thoughts.
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Look this similar no 2-3 bat around ALL: http://www.pixoto.com/petarbotteri
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I think the rules need to apply to everyone equally. Those at the very top seem to get away with doing whatever they want.

and as for getting action taken on large scale offenders- I reported plenty of them privately- alerting you to mass offenders- I did this for 5 weeks- making thumbnail photo pages of really bad portfolios - hoping seeing it all on one page would get your attention to what particular people are doing. All that work...and you didn't act on any as far as I can tell.

These are all very similar photos I alerted you about a while ago Not only are they similar to each other- many are duplicated from much earlier photos. Yet here they still are.

this guy -http://www.pixoto.com/alfath/recent is still submitting the same photos I told you about.
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
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_a couple others- different photographer.___________
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
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We are all very frustrated at nothing more then eliminating a few photos here and there is being done. You have a BIG scale problem that needs to be dealt with within 24 hours of being notified- you created a short fast contest- you have a responsibility to the contestants to be just as fast about dealing with cheaters.

I presented solutions that will work but you don't implement any of them. After 2 1/2 months on here- nothing improved (to do with duplicating and similar submissions)
We are all trying to tell you - your current method isn't working. Reporting duplicates and wrong categories is not acted upon fast enough to prevent cheaters from winning awards.

Politely removing extra images and giving warning notices isn't working. And why would it?

You folks would learn a lot by looking over the portfolios of your contestants- (in recent view) forget dealing with one reported set at a time. Anyone who's been reported for 3 different sets of photos should automatically be flagged for audit by someone. If there's three- theres gonna be more.
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I believe Jason responded to this type of post 2 posts up. Especially the part that says. "Please send this kind of feedback to me directly in the future because I don't think that publicly calling out these members is helpful for our community." I happen to agree with him. With almost 1 million pictures to deal with and most of the members not paying a penny to use this site I think Jason and the team are doing pretty well. They are making changes. Maybe not as fast as you feel it should be but for you to think that they can change this site and everything you don't like about it in less than 2 1/2 months is very unreasonable. As far as the above photos, I looked at all the photos you posted as too similar but personally feel they are not violating any rules. You mention in some of your posts other web sites that Pixoto should model themselves after. How do they deal with "Similar" photos? Just because someone doesn't agree with someone else doesn't mean they are wrong. IMHO
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@Jason i think you are correct in your frustration at Michelle's post but I suspect that it is borne out of her frustration around this image similarity issue.

Why don't you just suspend the money side of it and do as Janna suggests and go aggressively after weekly winners and top portfolios.

Your guidance was for us photographers to "select" the best of a series and load it up. Not just load up a bunch of the same series because its easy.

I saw a bunch of sheep shots the other day and they were all different enough but they really were all the "same" and not adequately curated for submission.

If you want this to be what you talked about on the podcasts you need to address this issue and some sort of plan would probably help you.
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I'm sick of the sheep pics!
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I posted this in a different thread but think my post apply s here as well:

The question is how and who? How is this to be enforced without spending the money to hire someone full time to check each and every photo. And also who decides what is too similar? As we all know from reading the forums we don't all agree on the criteria for the definition of "too similar". So maybe if we can all agree, including Pixoto on the how and the who then they can take further action. We can't count on the members to police there own work be cause many of the members will do anything to win including flooding the system. Remember we are dealing with an egosystem, not an ecosystem. :)
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Andrew, sure I wouldn't but sometimes I think about it when I'm disappointed and frustrated. Imo all these duplicates are ridiculous and on the other side, as Janna said, I also agree that the rules should be applied to everyone equally. And Richard is right as well, I'm fed up with all these images similarities
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The only solution to something like this would likely be a weekly submission limit per category (five per?).

At the rate people upload photos even a dedicated team of moderators would likely have some difficulty policing them all.
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i am not sure how difficult it would be because as Janna suggest you just really need to focus on the major point winners ?

Also there are a lot of participants so it is what these guys want to do with this site and community. Nothing is impossible nowadays !!
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I have looked at a number of the pictures that is being complained about. In about 70% of the time I would say that they are not similar pictures. The lighting has changed. There are different people or flowers in the photographs. The DOF sometimes is different enough that it is a different picture in my opinion. The other 30% in my humble opinion are often flagrant abusers. Many of these are virtually identical. That being said if these are those that are going to benefit financially from doing so. I would concentrate those that are going to benefit from prize money or superior recognition. That would tremendously cut down the number that had to be seriously looked at. Then as the resources permit expand into all on site.

I will also defend Pixoto. I have been an administrator on contests on other sites. Most people do not read the directions for submitting entries. I ran a contest where the only Photograph accepted was for the Great Blue Heron. Out of the first 24 entries 21 were not acceptable because the rules had a complete paragraph that stated in bold caps "IF YOUR PICTURE IS NOT A PHOTOGRAPH OF "THE GREAT BLUE HERON" IT WILL BE REJECTED AND REMOVED FROM THE CONTEST.

For the violation of the award if the offender has been warned of duplicate images and continues then that person should loose all points, awards and any cash or other prize on the first offense. Then on the second offense the person should be banned for 60 days from using the site. And for the third offense the person should loose all points and awards awarded on the site. For the fourth and final offense the person should be banned from the site for a period of one year.

I also agree that many of the complaints about the speed of which Pixoto responds is unreasonable based on the amount of entries that are flooding the site. It is a great site and from what I have seen is only going to get better.

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