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Would one of you power players tell me what is so WEAK about my entry? I've resubmitted three times, and it doesn't get out of the 300s. Help?

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Hi Chris

I have looked at the rest of your images, you have a good artistic eye.

You could get a dozen of us to review this image and we would all probably have a different oppinion, for me its unballanced, the focal point, the rabbit is in the wrong place and sadly looking at the back is never as good as looking face on, but thats the trouble with nature !

Your squirel is a better idea of what i would like to see with this sort of shot, lower looking straight at it, but like i said thats the trouble with nature !

Just remember you do have a good eye and this is an oddety in your work, hope this helps.
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Thank you, Ralph!

On the balance issue, I was trying to follow the Rule of Thirds. Maybe I'm approaching it wrong. Or maybe I'm making it a Law rather than a Rule.
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I have to agree with Ralph. You do have a good eye but.... Their is no distinct focal point. It is not always good to have an entire photo in focus when trying to isolate the main subject matter. If you had a different angle, perhapes closer to the ground, got more of the front face of the bunny and had the background blurred by shooting with a wide aperture setting then you whould have isolated the rabbit and brought immediate focus to the main subject. It is also very mono toned in its shading so it is hard to immediately find the bunny. Maybe a bit of post processing and cropping would have helped this picture. Please take this as just a critique. You do have talent. Please develop it.
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I truly appreciate your forthrightness, Andrew.
I'll try out placement, depth and shading.
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Chris,

I am a firm believer of rules are made to be broken ? probably not right but if it looks good then go for it.
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Ralph Your Correct, Chris for me sometimes breaking the rule make your image look stunning, and always remember that the sharpness of the subject is important too. Good Catch for this rabbit. :)
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I could also do with some artistic advice if you guys don't mind?

This one's a photoshop compilation. I've also tried submitting a few times and it doesn't do well in the voting.

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

I spent a long time on this... please tell me what's wrong with it?
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I resubmitted... and got 6 losses this time! :-(
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Jannette

I am not very good at photoshop, but the only thing i would say is it looks to real ?

When i think of photoshop i think of an image that has been turned into maybe a fantasy or something you just cant do normally, this looks like it would sit easilly into another category

If it is duelling agaiinst traditional "photoshop" images its just too normal ? Very good though

just my oppinion. hope it helps ?
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Thanks. Well - maybe if compiled images are allowed in the other categories next week then it might see a good run in Landscape? :-)

I've edited according to the one third rule to see if this makes a difference.

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

Too real and normal? I'll have to think about that... after you've spent 2 days solid shooting and post processing an image... to be told it's too real and normal is kinda blowing my mind at the minute! :D I think I see what you mean though.

Thanks for the advice and opinion. :-) I appreciate it.
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I hope you dont take it the wrong way, its a great image and i can appreciate the time taken to achieve it, i know how long it takes to do the small amount i know. on the subject.
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No, no - I'm not taking it the wrong way. :-) I'm very curious as to why this image isn't doing well (not even the new edited version to the thirds rule), and maybe it is because it's too real and not what voters expect from the photoshop art category. I'm not sure... but I appreciate your feedback. :-)
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My honest opinion and I'm sure others will get on my case about this, is that the photo looks very composite to me anyway and does not look real at all. You have the grain very sharp in the forground fading into blured focus and then you have the horse being in focus as well so you have sharp-blured-sharp. Then the tree line on the left is out of focus but the clouds are in focus but the sun itself is burned out and lacks detail. It confuses my eye. Also the bird looks to me like it was just dropped into the sky and is to large to be realistic. Plus the horse looks like it is almost walking on top of the wheat oats. This is just my opinion and I mean no disrespect. I hope it helps.
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I had wondered if I should have dropped the horse down more. :-)

So - your view is that it's not real enough and is confusing to the eye because of the changing focus? Thank you very much - this is good constructive criticism which I'll take on board if I rework the photo. Cheers.
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It is definitely just one persons humble opinion. I am by no means an expert in Photoshop but I do have a technical education in photographic technology. I always feel a bit funny giving a critique. I hate to think I hurt any ones feelings.
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:D It's cool with me. I used to be a graphic designer...(but I'm all right now)... ;-)
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I am glad you are cured. :) Did you have to go through rehab? :)
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Almost... :D
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I had a go at working with the focus and my composition. I think it looks a lot more realistic now...

New version: http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

What do you think?
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I think it is a good improvement. You have done well grasshopper. :)
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lol. Cheers. :-)
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Jannette

I have been following this with Andrew good advice there he certainly knows his stuff, Looks proportionally much better now.

Just my oppinion, but i would have made the horse the focal point rather than more forward in the wheat ?

But definatelly try it. lets hope it dose much better for you.
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Hey Ralph, thanks. :-) I think I need to shoot the horse again, but I'll keep it in mind for the next work. I'm just waiting for the right weather to go and climb on the bus stop opposite this field so I can get a better view.

I really want a man to volunteer to run naked through the wheat and do a little leap for me.... but I might have to poser in a chap instead. :-)
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I would volunteer but It may crack your camera lens. :p
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Not me ! i would scare just about everyone off !!
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Lol. I'll photoshop you beautiful! Besides... it for arts sake and therefore... a noble cause! :D
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Well done on your award for the day.
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Ditto. Well done. Sometimes you do need to go with your first instincts. I have had shots that lost 6 or 7 in a row but have come back to win an award as well. It has to do I think with the voting system. You need to wait until at least 30-40 votes are in to get an idea of how ell you are doing. Great job Janette.:)
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Thank you both. :-) I'm sure the other one will also do well. but the colours and lighting need a little tweaking. Overall - I still like the second one better than the one that won. I think it's going to do better in the future...

Cheers Guys. :-)

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