How do you feel about 1 person submitting up to 20 images a day in1 category??

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How do others feel about one person submitting anything up to 20 images a day in one category?? Because people like the pictures this person takes out most top 20 positions. Doesn't leave much hope for anyone else! Also is submitting very simialr images over time. I had pictures taken from me when they were simialr poses but different dogs!! This person gets away with it all the time! Obviously I am very annoyed, I just want to know how others feel. I have reported this with no response by the organisers. Very frustrating!!
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I actually don't mind if someone submitted hundreds of photos but the number of awards is less than 50% of the images submitted.

Consider the math here: a person submitted 100 photos within 2012, on average should received 20 daily + 20 weekly + 20 monthly + 20 annual awards (assuming statistical normal distribution) because Pixoto gives awards up to "Top 20%". So on average you get 80 awards for 100 photos.

If that person got less than 80, it means he/she contributed to the "community" in a way because that awards were given to someone else ... which could be me or you (which is a good thing for me or you, right?)

It may become a problem if a person submitted 100 photos and got 400 awards (along with a gazillion points), especially if these 100 photos are similar (and of good quality too). It's a problem because it means less awards/points for the rest of us.

So I'm happy if there are more casual photographers who submitted hundreds of photos but only getting 80%/less awards in return.
In some categories, you'll also find those who submitted hundreds of photos and got 300-400% awards in return. Well, if you can't compete with them, try in different category then.
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I agree, Jenny, with your point, too, about a minority of people keeping all the points for themselves using very similar images all the time. But I was trying to bring up a different point.

My point was merely that someone can get away with getting a "best photographer" of the year banner if they submit a gazillion above-average-to-average photos (also all similar looking), especially in categories with few competitors. To me someone who gets 50% or less than awards for every 100 photos has no business being best photographer (best player or participant perhaps). At least the people who monopolize all the points are indeed great at what they do and can be called best photographers -- it's a totally different story whether they elbowed their way into getting it over other equally deserving people. :p
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"equally deserving people" would be getting high scores for there images as well if they are equally deserving images ! quantities and point grabbing is errelivant because the points awarded outside the top 10 are not going to propell anyone to the top. If you want to beat them do as well as them! be "equally deserving people."
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Mikey, the best of 2012 awards are given on the basis of your average score of your top 10 images. Submitting 10000 images will not help you unless in that 10000 you have 10 great ones. Therefore I cannot agree with your statement that anyone who spams a category will get in the top 20 of the year. Even in the small categories, a better photographer is far more likely to have 10 higher scoring images than an average photographer that spams the category.

Ralph, I do see your point to a degree, where photographers such as yourself, submitting excellent images in an over competitive category, are sometimes lumped together with the average and spam photographers. I can assure you that no one who has seen your profile and images would consider you anything but skilled. However, it is a fact that there are people who earned their places on the leader board by sheer numbers, not skill. The argument that top 20% and top 10% awards have insignificant scores does not hold water, as the year end award scores for these are huge. I lost my position in first place Nature up Close to someone who had fewer top 10s, fewer top 5%s, but kicked my ass on top 10 and top 20% awards...to the tune of over 3 million points. Why? Because I didn't submit 200 images a day. I don't need to name names, anyone looking at the leader board can see what's happening. So while I'm sorry that you feel people are not appreciating your work (I appreciate it a lot, in fact your profile is one I use when I show friends around Pixoto), I have to strongly disagree that everyone at the top of the leader boards got there by skill.
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Darrell, I agree with this statement: "Even in the small categories, a better photographer is far more likely to have 10 higher scoring images than an average photographer that spams the category." but this statement of yours ("Therefore I cannot agree with your statement that anyone who spams a category will get in the top 20 of the year") contradicts these 2: ("The argument that top 20% and top 10% awards have insignificant scores does not hold water, as the year end award scores for these are huge" and "I have to strongly disagree that everyone at the top of the leader boards got there by skill.") That latter point you made are my thoughts exactly. If I can borrow your words, even if you are an above average photographer, if you spam and spam and spam to get as many as you can of these minor awards (especially if your photos come up often enough so people have to still vote for either of them) then yes, you can still make it into the top 10. This is not hypothetical -- just look at the top 10 players for 2012 in animals -- dogs.

Ralph, I still don't understand why you are being very defensive about this. You clearly have every right to be ranked among the best photographers of the year with the number of awesome (and more importantly NOT similar looking) photos in your gallery -- but then why were you acting like this pertains to you? Even if I am certain I did not say anything against you personally, I would like to bury the hatchet and apologize if I have caused you any hurt feelings.

I am merely a casual photographer who uses Pixoto to decide which ones of my photos I should or should not hang on to. I have no aspirations whatsoever of beating anyone. I am just very disillusioned by seeing that banner hanging in someone's front page who I didn't think was deserving. That's all. Am I not entitled to my own opinion?
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Wait, I just reread your comment... "the best of 2012 awards are given on the basis of your average score of your top 10 images. Submitting 10000 images will not help you unless in that 10000 you have 10 great ones"

Sorry, if I misunderstood. Sadly though, even after looking at this photog's profile and seeing that he has a good number of high scoring (they weren't really that great to be honest), I still don't buy into the idea. But then again, it is a flawed system and just a game. :)
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Mikey, you have misunderstood my words. The Top 20 Photographers of the Year awards are given to the top 20 togs whose average score of their best 10 images in the specific category are the highest. Only 10 images from each tog are considered, having loads of images does not help one bit. My other comments are directed towards Player Leaderboard positions, which is an entirely different situation where your position can very much be affected by the number of images you submit. I hold the No.1 accolade for Nature up Close, yet the top of the Leaderboard is held by someone who was placed no.18 and submitted over three times the number of images I did. Does this make my comments above clearer?
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To further clarify, the big red banner has nothing to do with your position in the Leaderboard, you get it based on your top 10 scoring photos in the category. That I think is where the confusion lies.
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Ah you already picked up on that, sorry to belabour the point!
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Darrell, nonetheless appreciated. :) Funny, I didn't realize how angry people around here can get towards others merely providing their simple observation/opinion. Everyone assumes that people posting on these types of forums are merely complaining. Again, I appreciate your cool head and astute comments. Your photos on your profile page are awesome (as are Ralph's). Thanks!
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Sorry if i gave the wrong impression i am in no way knocking anyones work or think they are to mine, i have often said on here and possibly in this thread that what this site needs is a "How To" section so people can find out how to acheive a specific type of image etc, by increasing everyones knowledge you increase the quality of the site surelly.

And there are more than enought good photographers here that would only need to put forward a little advice.

Sounds easy but maybe not ?
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Hey, we're all good. :)

That point you made about having a "How To" section where more learned/experienced photogs can provide advice is certainly a great point, Ralph. Unfortunately, given the points-oriented system of Pixoto, it's probably going to be hard for the admins to promote a community at the same time.

Part of the reason why I come to this site is because I appreciate the objectivity with the voting. I'm tired of just hearing good things about my photographs from friends and relatives. Constructive criticisms are hard to come by on Flickr. At least, here I get some objective response to my photos even if I don't get any suggestions or comments.
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I was happy to get 13 "best of 2012" awards. I've only ever entered 4 or 5 a week. Getting a better camera has improved my ability to pass the 600 point mark- but I still can't manage to take pictures that hit 700 points. Expensive cameras will always dominate the leader boards.

I've concluded that Pixoto doesn't intend to fix any of the problems we all keep complaining about. They are out to make money off selling the photos. Those who produce more for them to sell are allowed too submit as much as they want for a reason- it gives them more to sell.

They scramble up the awards intentionally- so its hard to see who really has what. The report button is there to make people think they will have the problem dealt with. We all know it does nothing.

It seems to me that many aspects of the site are designed to intentionally make comparing images hard- like top scoring images- you cannot see what the dual score is because there is no slide bar- you have to out smart it by clicking on the image from the dual history- then click the image your trying to view in that images dual history- it pops back up with the slide bar.

If they wanted to fix the problems- they could have and would have done it by now. We need to accept that to them- the only problem is the customers complain too much.
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Hello everyone, we are working to resolve some of the problems you have all discussed here, however I have to ask for your patience as we continue to evolve the site and the process. If you don't feel that your reports are getting through using the Report button on the site you are welcome to send an email to REPORT@PIXOTO.COM for the report team to review, please include urls and a short explanation of the problem.

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