How do you feel about 1 person submitting up to 20 images a day in1 category??

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How do others feel about one person submitting anything up to 20 images a day in one category?? Because people like the pictures this person takes out most top 20 positions. Doesn't leave much hope for anyone else! Also is submitting very simialr images over time. I had pictures taken from me when they were simialr poses but different dogs!! This person gets away with it all the time! Obviously I am very annoyed, I just want to know how others feel. I have reported this with no response by the organisers. Very frustrating!!
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I must say, this is one of the major reasons why I don't upload so many pictures as before any more. It's really frustrating and .... boring to see always the same. Especially when these pics are also in the wrong category. it's just not fair for other people. But what can you do against this. Humans are cheaters and selfish
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Hi Michelle.
I agree that people cheaters and selfish. Why take a persons fun away when all they are trying to do is get a picture or two in a winning position but can't because of one person!
I was having a ball getting a picture or two in the top 10 positions here and there in the Daily Awards but since this person turned up it has all gone to boot as I don't even get any in the top 20% anymore.
I know everyone is saying that my pictures should be better and not so repetative with the same dogs.....but this is all I can access and the Category is Dogs but at least I try and mix them up so they are not TOO boring.
Good Luck in your Duels.
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Also Michelle, thank you for taking the time to read and reply to my question. Appreciate your thoughts. :)
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I cant see the problem with many images being submitted but i agree they should not be similar images !
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Ralph,
If there is no limit to the number of submissions by one person per category per day then a person who has got only access to one or two dogs are handicaped because they haven't got the variety of shots open to them as say those people who can get out and about or have Animal business' and can submit infamous numbers of images of different dogs!
I am not saying that this persons images don't deserve to take out most of the top 20 spots, just that they know they are good and give others a fair chance! I am sure they will still be in the running for the TOP SPOT at the end of the year!
As far as repetative/similar images go, I believe they are still being submited even yesterday but I seem to be the only one that thinks so .
This question will probably get me a lot less votes on my images but what the heck...gotta speak up when you feel there is a problem.
Thanks for taking the time to read and reply to my question.
Good Luck in your Duels.
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I don't have problem with the no. of photos submitted but agree they should not be similar. ... best photo should win no matter what...
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Hi JoAnn.
Best photo should win no matter what....well I agree but there still should be a limit so as other people can enjoy a top 10 position occassionally. That is my belief anyway.
Good Luck in your duels.
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Also JoAnn, thank you for taking the time to read and reply to my question. All comments are appreciated. :)
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I have stopped uploading all together because of what is happening in the dog category. I find it to be nothing but greed. I always tried to only upload a few images every week so other people could have a chance. Now it's being over taken by nothing but dogs on the beach. I'm sure sooner or later people will get bored with these images. I'm just going to sit back and wait.
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Kris, I feel that seventy images of dogs on a beach is a little extreme. I feel that a limit of ten images per week would be more resonable. I will not upload any images until this issue has been resolved.
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10 images a week sounds good to me. I have gone back from 4-5 a day to 1. Only to try and keep position in my Country. :)
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If you duel a lot, than you see the same shots over and over again. If I see the same dogs running on the beach several times in, lets say 25 minutes, I skip them. The same with the terribly boring pictures of the backside of the flowers with drops on them, but the sad thing is a lot of people like them and another,probably just a good shot, gets no chance. Shame on the photographer, but they are the laughing party in this one, I'm afraid.
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Connie, I love your photos and will miss seeing them but I do understand. I don't understand why people vote the way they do. My photos have been doing terrible lately, when I look at the duels I loose against some bad photos. I may stop posting here also.
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Thanks Sharon. I post a few images here and there but not always every week. It is what is.
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Some people are only concerned with quantity rather than quality. Some people find a formula that works and follows the same formula over and over. And there are others like you that create new formulas to open up the creative aspect of the subjects. Technical excellence is empty without creative inspiration to give it meaning. As you say, people will tired of these just like the fruit falling in water, macro insects heads and the other cliche' photos. Long live true art.
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As always, Andrew, very well said. I fully share your feeling about technical excellence devoid of creative inspiration, which unfortunately permeates several Pixoto postings.
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Hi Andrew.
As I said to Connie......
I only hope you are right.
Fun has definately gone out the window here.
I hope things improve for a chance in 2013.
Thanks for your time and comments.
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Andrew is right. Here on Pixoto quantity is better than quality. I also have lost interest but try to upload one picture today to see if things have changed here or if it is getting worse. I read the forum from time to time but everything is like it was for the few last months. Complains about to many uploads from one tog, cheating, biased voting etc. It's sad for real good togs but it is like this. I also sit back and look what happens but Kris is right the fun has gone. This afternoon I will do some duels (I have a little bit time) and see how it looks now but if it looks like seeing always the same, I will stop as well.
I wish everybody good luck
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How did you go Michelle??
It will be sad to see people dissapearing from the Dogs Category.
There is not even enough images submitted in total for a 20% award....
now that is saying something.......15 from one, 15 from another doesn't leave much in between. :(
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Kris, I didn't post photos in the dog category (maybe only 3 since August 2011) but the problem is the same in each category. Before I posted lots of my pics in the fine art category and after the change in the abstract but I stopped now. It was always the same. Every day, every week. Tons of very similar pics from the same tog. I really liked pixoto at the beginning and I was addicted. Opened my account a few times every day and made a lot of duels. Now I have a look maybe once a week or every 10 days. It became so boring spending my day reporting images. What I don't understand is why pixoto has rules. There are so many people who just don't care. It's so unfair for the good people. And when I look at the award pages of the leading togs, I just ask me how can they be proud? Having hundred of awards for the same pictures? Also the duels are some days sooo boring. Pixoto is not any more what it was
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I have to agree with you Michelle......who could be proud to win awards like this!?
It is very hard to control the Public....I wouldn't want to run the show! As has been said....cheaters, scammers, egotistical buggers, etc will find any way to win and don't care how they get it. VERY SAD :(
But I do believe Pixoto could do a better job with abiding by the rules and giving people a fair go! If not, I think they will loose what was a GREAT THING. Not only will people leave but pass on what has happened which in turn can put others off from wanting to join.
I have left other sites for similar reasons. Hard to find a Good One but I keep looking.
In regards to duelling becoming boring....you would think that there would be enough entries that no-one submission should be seen twice by the same person. I have looked back at my duels and they have been against the same pictures most of the time....there is enough out there that this shouldn't happen...imho.
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Check out this guy -- he must have at least 20 pics of the same ants carrying the same plant parts and he is one of the "top" togs http://www.pixoto.com/echoalpacino#39... I reported some but got sick of it -- the admin should just go in and delete them!
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Don't worry about it. Just wait, and everyone starts to copy the most recent winning images. Voters get bored, and suddenly that style loses its appeal. When you see that start to happen, submit something radically different and you will win, because voters like different. It's worked for me a number of times, unfortunately it hasn't yet translated to a weekly win for me but I can hope! To me the most annoying thing is images placed in categories that they just barely qualify for, there are so many landscape pictures in nature (water, rock, sand, trees categories) that it makes no sense to have the landscape category anymore. View the pictures in water, then in waterscapes, almost identical. There are water drops in nature; water that look exactly like the water drops in abstract; water drops - thats your biggest threat as a player, because as I said, different wins and they are different to the standard fare for those categories.
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I see we have another runner for the most images a day!! And similar pictures seem to be allowed nowadays as well! Well, for the elite few that is!
What fun could there be in submitting 15 pictures and KNOWING that you are going to take at least 12 awards for the day....every day?? Gee that must get boring!?
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I feel that sixty-seven images and counting of dogs on the beach is really going over board. This is the last week that I will be submitting any images in the dog category. I find it really sad that someone would feel the need to do this. Damn, if you want photographer of the year by all means have it. It's not like you win any money. I give up!
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I agree Karen.
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Thanks guys!
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Kris, it's a filter called pixel bender. You can use it with CS5.
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Thanks Connie, very much for sharing your trade secrets.
I will give it a go. :)
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very cute pic :P
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What I don't get is why doesn't Pixoto acts on this one?
And the guy who's doing it has a pro account too :( I find it very sad.
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I have mentioned this problem to Pixoto 3 times with no response....we think he is a secret boss of the company!! :) :) lol
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I'd love to know who this guy is so I can go and report him too -- don't be scared to post his profile here
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In my eyes they just don't care. Right now there is no limit on how many images a person can submit. So we have a few people who think submitting over 70 images is the only way they can rack up points quickly. I have over 1,0000 images that I could submit but why would I do that? Everyone deserves the chance to have their images at the top. That's just my honest opinion.
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Well said Connie.
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Too bad, you should say they don't take us serious.
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Well they don't take us serious because I told them that the fun had gone and I was thinking of leaving, twice, but I had no response. I even asked for my pictures that I submitted for stock be canceled....I was asked why but nothing came of it.
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Connie, I miss seeing your dogs but I fully understand. The same is true in children portrait. The same person has over 20 images that are darn near identical each and every week. I don't understand why this is allowed. I also have stopped submitting as much as I use to, I will submit one or two images in that category. And the funny thing is I am confident in my 1 or 2 competing with all 20 of his or hers.
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Well I had originally posted that I had no issues with the no. of photos a person submitted in a category, UNTILL I checked out the dog section and now I see what everyone has been talking about. I do stick by my posting that the best photo should win, but did also find I was annoyed by that many postings of basically the same event. But I also wonder how many times any of us have bothered to simply contact the poster and talk to them about it??? Or to make suggestions to them? I didnt check but maybe it is someone that simply got caught up in the excitement of the photos they had taken? or does this person do this has a norm? I don't like the idea of limitations of no. of photos to a category, as I think it can hurt some people that have limited areas to take photos, however I do agree it was certainly annoying.
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NO VERY SIMILAR IMAGES: You may submit an unlimited number of images but each one must be significantly different from the others. This means only one image of any subject and scene/pose combination is allowed (e.g. either b/w or color - not both). You may however delete an image and resubmit it at any time. If reported, and we agree that the images are not distinct enough, the newer image will be deleted. This is critical for keeping the Pixoto community vibrant, exciting and fun (note - this rule effective 6/1/2012).

these are the rules...why do they not get implemented?????
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Do you have a paying account? Or do you have a free account? If you have a paying account, they may listen to you. If you have a free account, they definitely will NOT listen to you..........and that is why some people can post many very similar images(often times they are almost identical images) with no action taken, even if reported.......
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I think we all have a few photos that could be considered similar. I don't think the issue in this case is Similar images so much as they are repetitive and boring. Unfortunately there are no rules against boring. :) Most of the dog photos are of the same dogs on the same beach in the same lighting doing the same thing. The technique and equipment are top notch. They are consistent for sure :) There are far worse offenders of the similar rule than this tog. He is not breaking any rules that I can see and it seems people like his work or they would not vote for them even if he does have the majority of the photos in the category. :) Any way, I believe the only way to prevent this from happening is an upload limit per day. IMHO Have a nice day.
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Andrew, I did some voting today and the issue I have with someone submitting over seventy images of dogs on the beach is that his images will come up in voting window. Both of his images come up. You end up having to vote on either one of his images. See my point?
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Absolutly Connie. I agree with you. I was responding to Di's post about similar photos.
If there were 20 more dog togs uploading it would not be so much of a problem so the only solution I can see for now is the upload limit.
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I second the spirit of Andrew's proposal. We were advocating it for months now.

There are simple ways to implement it -- like strict limits on submissions. There are fancy ways to implemented too, like discounting the points earned with each award in combination of the number of one's submissions in competition for the award (daily, weekly, monthly). For example, if one is inclined to submit a lot of photos, so be it, but the points he she earns will start being reduced after some number of submission and the deficit in points will be shared among the rest of the award winners (if any). So, in a sense, if one wants to submit too many photos, other winners will be see a boost in their earnings.

In the end, my take is that earning tons of awards and tons of points because tons of photos are submitted cheapens the awards, the points earned, and ultimately Pixoto and its contests which, I hope, suppose to advance the art of photography.
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Hi...me again! 'This means only one image of any subject and scene/pose combination is allowed (e.g. either b/w or color - not both)'. ...which I must admit I've been guilty of on a couple of occasions,I was just quoting the written rules and generalizing,not pointing any fingers,Pixoto should amend them if they're letting all these similar/same subject stay..but too many similar gets boring whatever the subject,if someone uploaded a lot of good images and they were all quite different would people still be complaining that it isn't fair! Get out there and take loads of great shots...the best image will win at the end of the day imho We vote for the image,not the person who took it,so as long as they're not similar,why not?One can always skip a duel,which I find myself doing for one reason or another more often than i'd like, as it makes accruing points for submitting and un-pausing a more time consuming and tedious job! Have a good weekend everyone.
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I don't care. :)
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Wow ! You people are mad and frustrated that management isn't enforcing its rules!
I'm new to Pixoto but already I've learned that the rule-breakers are hurting the Pixoto experience and me. Pretty soon I'll be voting with my feet and walking away if these problems don't get fixed.
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It seems this is a real problem that has not been addressed in at least a month. I'm new and thought this was fun and was going to get a pro account ... then I realized I was competing against someone who had entered 13 pics of 2 cats that are almost identical in one day. It seems this is true for the other categories as well, and dueling against miscategorized pics is a losing proposition. So I'll save my money and not go pro until some changes are made. Limits are the best solution and it does not seem it would lessen the amount of quality photos being entered. Even if it was 5 per category per week...that's not too harsh but still gives a more balanced competition.
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"It seems this is a real problem that has not been addressed in at least a month."
This is a real problem that has not been addressed in MANY months!!! It will not be addressed anytime soon either!
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in the cats category one person has 13 of the top 16.... it's 2 cats, but she could have posted only 8, they're all very similar, the pics are good and the cats are cute ...but not fair to have so many similar images.
"NO VERY SIMILAR IMAGES: You may submit an unlimited number of images but each one must be significantly different from the others. This means only one image of any subject and scene/pose combination is allowed (e.g. either b/w or color - not both). You may however delete an image and resubmit it at any time. If reported, and we agree that the images are not distinct enough, the newer image will be deleted. This is critical for keeping the Pixoto community vibrant, exciting and fun (note - this rule effective 6/1/2012). "
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then there are the three hundred dahlias in various poses... four hundred water lily buds and seventy five webs with coloured lights behind... ;(
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I wouldn't be able to really win anything much - point and shoot cameras don't really lend themselves to the occasion (hah hah) but I do wonder how the folks who keep submitting these incredibly similar photos feel about themselves?

Occasionally, I submit two - sometimes three photos from the same occasion (outing, event, etc.), but often end up deleting all but the one which is doing "best".

For example - have a look at the flowers section today:
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
scroll down the top 50 or so - even just the first ten, to get a feel of the issue.

How incredibly dull - how tragic that there is so little interest in "new" and "different". Ah well...
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I think we need MORE photos of flowers with water drops on them, MANY MORE says he in a sarcastic tone........
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I no longer post many pics, as winners usually are a repetitive insanity of photos. I LOVE seeing the same animal, tree, flower, person, car, whatever from the same person, submitted most likely minutes apart, in nearly the same pose, background, light, or editing plug in of the month, in image duel after image duel. Makes my creative juices flow.........

I can forgive submitting similar images, if they are not posted the same day or week!! Why you may ask? Answer, we all have a particular style, therefore by nature, our pictures will have a similar look. While I have images that are similar, look at the dates they were posted, I separated them out by weeks or months! And several of them were taken with a different camera, and I posted to get a comparison.

Reporting rule breakers DOES NOTHING, as there is no action taken by the admins. How do I know this? I have reported, posted and asked, and the admins have NEVER responded, or even taken ANY action that I can see, IN MONTHS! I'm curious to see if this gets my account shut down........
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Hmm.. At times, I find it very frustrating, too. If I submit 1 or 2 photos, it has to go up against 10+ photos from the same person/s. And because the category is overly specific, the submissions seldom go past 50-60. So if you're not in the top 10, you probably won't even get a top 20% badge at all either. The photographer I'm talking about is an excellent one so I'm not exactly complaining. The way I see it, if I can still sneak in a photo of mine, then that means my photo is really deserving. :p I'm a half-glass-full kinda guy. On the other hand, I noticed one of the dog photographers got a big large banner for best photographer on his page but I don't think he deserves it -- I think he just racks up the points by submitting every single day. That is very disappointing.
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No that is grossly unfair he got that award because he submits excelent images maybe lots of them maybe not but to say any photographer only racks up the points by submitting every day is unfair he submits great shots every day.

If he submits less images it wont allow images that are not as good to win.

low ranking daily and weekly scores are so low no one is likely to raise up the leaderboard on them, if you want to beat him or any other member there is only one way to do it,

Submit Better Images Than Everyone Else
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Are we talking about the same photographer?!!

In response to you saying this: "if you want to beat him or any other member there is only one way to do it, Submit Better Images Than Everyone Else"
Not to float my boat but I did place 2 of my 3 photos yesterday while that certain photographer didn't even make it to the top 25 (of 75 photos).

Again, I wasn't trying to pin down any specific person. I'm just saying it's a faulty system (as with most things in life which are never perfect), and while it can get frustrating at times, we just have to deal with the cards we're dealt with. Pixoto is supposed to be FUN but some people here (present company definitely included) take it waaaay too seriously.

Do me a favor before you become too defensive. Look at the top 10 players from the top 12 leaderboard from 2012 and compare the number of points to the number of images submitted. It doesn't take a math genius to figure out that if the number of awards is less than 50% of the images submitted that it boils down to someone taking advantage of a point-based system.

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