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Since reporting doesn't seem to achieve anything anymore, I'm posting this here...Pixoto please do something about this player who is consistently uploading digital art category images into nature up close. Most of her pictures have very obvious fake water drops added. www.pixoto.com/nishidha?category=natu...
Alternatively if this is now allowed, please confirm so that I can add horrendously fake water drops to all my reject photos!
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LOL! nice one at the end! I would love to add these fake water drops to my lions and tigers... cause water drops seem to have a tremendous effect on voters!
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I can see what you mean !!
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I too have some cat and dog close-ups which could do with those fake water drops on the whiskers!
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Hi Pixoto, I'd seriously like an answer to my question above. If these clearly faked images are allowed to compete, does that mean you condone this? In that case I feel you should clarify that so we can all fake our images and stand a chance of competing with these people. Otherwise they need to be removed.
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Jason, can you please give us your judgement about this?

The photos are still online, you didn't write anything about it here, so we can conclude it is ok to post faked or composed (from 2 shots) photos in lets call them "normal" categories instead of in Digital art category.

If that is so, I think you can expect increase in the number of such "photos".

Thank you! :)
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And regarding the same metter...

Shouldn't this "photo" be in digital art instead in Lanscape since the lightnings are digitally added?

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

As you can see, if the lightnings are part of the original photo, you would see reflection of them in water.

and this "photo"

http://www.pixoto.com/david.pratt.501...

should also be in digital art instead in abstract...
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Sorry not to respond to this earlier. We do allow composite photos in all categories and have allowed it since June-2012. The rule we follow is that if an image looks like artwork rather than a photo we will re-categorize it to digital art - otherwise we allow it to stay.
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Just a question of curiosity, How do you know if the piece-parts from the composite photos actually belong to the photographer, and not someone else, or are "borrowed" some other source?
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(sorry, I accidentally duplicated my question)
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Right well, here goes with adding fake waterdrops to men's chest hairs and my cat's whiskers...
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And I have quite a lot of cloudy photos that are screaming for fake lighnings :D :D

Good to know that it is ok to submit that into other categories not just in digital art:)
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Jason- I thought the rule was when more than one image is layered over another it is photoshop art. Her top scoring photo - 745 - looks photo shopped. Is photo shopped.

But if your saying that her fake water drops- added to all but the roses- is acceptable in a non photoshop category....

that composite photos- photos layered- combined-are allowed in every category...

Then its time to have some fun! All's fair in war and photography submissions!

We can add anything to anything..... ! Based on her example- it doesn't even need to look real!

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

.......really Jason?

or is it cuz they're for sale?
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oh my god- check this out- my "recent images" page
http://www.pixoto.com/janna.morrison....

showing my real purple flower- and my protest flower- with blue drops added all over it.

results?
real flower 400 51 duals
fake flower 522 79 duals (posted way after real photo)

guess fake water is the clear favorite! not to duplicate...I should take one down...
but which one.... ?

I'll leave both up for a few days so people can see for them selves both photos.
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Love it!!
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lol
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Yikes... I don't even like your protest flower (no offense). Disturbing, for sure.
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Wow that is ridiculous. If this was a money earning site, I would lose my mind on these people. No offense, but that edit is no bueno and I see what you mean. There is one photo on here that is in the tippy top and you can see without expanding it that someone did a very bad job with the "intelligent scissors"
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As soon as I get a moment I'll add some fake water drops to my cats whiskers... LOL!
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cant wait- please post link in here
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I'll have to think what I can add a few fake drops to and see what happens. No offence Janna and i'm sure none will be taken but they would have to be the worse fake drops I have seen and yet people voted more for it than the natural pic. Makes you wonder sometimes.
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D'you know... have just spent a fun hour adding hats to cats and water drops to tiger's tongues - but cannot bring myself to do anything further - my enthusiasm has waned.

All I want is to get back to taking and tweaking (i.e. a touch of sharpness here, and a tad of colour there) real photos. Ones which I enjoy. No prize I win for a photoshop art photo will give me any joy, unless I specifically wish to submit to the digital art or similar category. I'd rather have fun outdoors with my little point and shoot, my shaky handheld in-habitat photos, my low point and award tally and a clear conscience (as well as natural water drops LOL)

I know the point is not to win prizes but rather to protest the use of extreme photoshop rubbish to win awards but I shall continue to protest this in writing rather than in photos.

I did have fun for an hour there though - and look forward to seeing others responses to the fake water-drop challenge...
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My own protest images:

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra... - the ladybird is photoshopped in, this did considerably better than the original.

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra... - the hoverfly is photoshopped in, the previous version of this photo never even hit 500 score and had been deleted.

If I added water drops, I'm sure these would hit the 700's. Yet they are reject photos that have no place at that level. Well maybe the flower one, always liked that - shame no one else did!

I was not particularly careful to blend these as I wanted it to be fairly obviously photoshopped, (besides not actually knowing how to....) yet apparently they pass muster...
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hah hah hah hah hah hah!! Spotted the hoverfly in duels and thought "oh good grief!" (and a few other things which I cannot repeat on a public forum).

LOLOLOL!! Had I only known it...

Thank you for a very much needed chuckle - as well as for your "real" (i.e. actual) photos which thrill me.

Maybe I should relook at the photoshop thing - add a beetle here and a spider there... On second thoughts - maybe not.

But I AM having my own little (very small) protest at the moment (very quietly) - which has to do with people throwing large numbers of extremely similar (including recrops and rotated duplicates) images at the nature up close category in the flowers category, and continually getting away with it too. Grrrrr.
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Ah you're South African, I should have known :p I am too, although I've been living in the UK for the past 12 years - on a residence visa, not as UK citizen lol. Guess it's hard to give up your roots...I miss SA badly.
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SA is a treat! But you're making the most of UK biodiversity. Keep on posting... love it and learning from it.
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Good job- the fly looks just like the one the thread was started over!
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aww boohoo waaaaaa who the hell cares ????
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Well I'm glad I don't submit entries to the nature close up category, seeing that Darrell got a 5th and 9th and a total of 2125 points for the day with his images that would normally be in digital art, as he freely admits above. If I had been 6th or 10th that day in that category I would be a bit pissed right now...lol!

I realize you are doing this to protest the images of Nishidha Patil and perhaps others who are getting awards and points for mis-catergorized images, but my fear is if more and more people start to follow your lead, knowing they can get away with it and be rewarded for it, the relevancy of this site as a legit photography site may be very short lived. Just a thought.
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I think it's easier just to put a bug or frog on a toadstool and photograph it than to photoshop it in, but then I'm no expert with photoshop. The bugs are the annoying ones, won't sit still...the frogs are very accommodating, I think they just like the idea of sitting on a mushroom! My two attempts at digital art took me several hours to do and still look fake at a casual glance, it's trickier to make decent composites than you'd think....
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I don't own photoshop, but use a freeware "tweaker" to adjust the bits where necessary. As far as I know there are all sorts of ways of using photoshop to add things such as fake waterdrops, etc. I suspect they are built up in layers. It is just sooooo much more fun and satisfying to take the actual photos though.

Bugs are hellishly skittish. Have been chasing some metallic longhorn beetles around my garden for the past month and still have nothing decent to show for it.

Toadstools were made for frogs to sit on - that's WHY they are called that!

G'nite - roughly 5 hours past my usual bed time...
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http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra... This toad wasn't placed on the mushroom, it climbed up on it's own. It would sit there every night for a few hours then go roaming around the garden. When the mushroom decayed, it started climbing an old garden chair and sitting on that in the early evening. Not sure why, possibly just to get out of the wet for a while or maybe it was easier to see prey from a height..who knows!
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Night!
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Darrell, I don't disapprove..I just hate to see good people go to the "dark side" of this site.
Like you said..If more top players like yourself, feel they have no other option than to exit the site, watch their scores and their souls decline or use the "so called" rules to stay in the game.. then why should people like me carry on?
While I am floundering around in "non-pro, 20 percent land" I need to know there are people I can admire and learn from and who have the numbers to prove it. Most importantly people who stick to the "good side" of the rules, however ridiculous they are. People like you.
I didn't mean to offend or upset. Good night.
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"We do allow composite photos in all categories and have allowed it since June-2012."

I was not aware of this quote by Jason. Where does it appear, Darrell?
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Sorry not to respond to this earlier. We do allow composite photos in all categories and have allowed it since June-2012. The rule we follow is that if an image looks like artwork rather than a photo we will re-categorize it to digital art - otherwise we allow it to stay.
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Higher up in this very post Trey, it's what prompted the heated debate!
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whew... what a wild ride this read was... lol
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I have felt all along that going to stock photo and selling to the public was going to change pixoto... and you are seeing it happen now.. allowing the photo shopped photos in all categories was part of moving into the stock photo era..and catering to the likes of the public..

I believe it was Jason that had posted once.. back when they decided to allow manipulated photos...this is almost a quote but not quite.." the public does not care if a photo was photoshopped" and that is probably true.... the only people that actually care, are other photographers..specifically other photographers that are submitting into duels here. Opening up to stock photos will forever change the old Pixoto. Old rules doe not necessarily apply as we knew them before. 'the times they are a changing"
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wow...just saw that quote, Darrell...I joined Pixoto in 2011 and it definitely is a new day here on Pixoto now. Going to be an interesting year, and I'm afraid this "Get Satisfaction" section is going to be lit up like a roman candle with a lot of people not getting a whole lot of satisfaction!
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I agree that joining the dark side is not the way to go- This is why I made sure to make it clear right on the photos title that it was done in protest. The water drops aren't even water. They are air bubbles harvested off one of my fish tank photos. Then turned blue cuz it looked pretty.

I think Jason may have misunderstood the issue? The reality is that good photoshop work is undetectable. There is no way for pixoto to tell which photos are photoshopped or not- unless it was poorly done -therefore visible. While there is technology out there that can scan a photo and tell instantly if there's added/altered bits- but costs a fortune.

The public wants to see beautiful photos- regardless of how they are created. What we are really irritated about here is that its visible. Obvious and very poorly done.

The answer is- do it so well that its undetectable- or don't do it at all.
If it looks at all fake or photoshopped- why would you want to enter it anyway- this photographer has made herself look like a wanna be. I would be ashamed to enter photos like that in a regular category.
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Yeah like the people at pixoto have time to look at and re-categorize every darn image that is not properly categorized.. hahahahaha
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I will vote for a poor quality "vacation" photo vs an over processed photoshop picture every time. Janna, your score should have been higher on you "Blue drop" photo cause I know I voted against it every time. I will continue to put up my pure photos with poor scores because I use this site to gauge what I take to the shows. Some of my top selling and award winning photos have stalled out here after less than 15 duels. I still made thousands of dollars on them. The over processed Award winning photos here would never even be allowed in the galleries I show in. It is what it is. It helps me to see what people are looking for but it is far from an honest evaluation of my art. The highest I have gotten here is a 645 on a pure photo that has been "best in show" at 3 different local galleries. I vote my eye and have no problem voting against what is obviously fake. Until they dual apple for apple, it is never going to be a true representation. It is just for fun.
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Over 95% of my photos are "pure" - the remainder are very obviously altered for specific effects, and these are submitted in the digital art category usually. I too have had actual competition winners voted out within 6 votes - LOL! My top images (highest 697) are all pure, but regularly get knocked out by some over-processed, studio-manufactured - violently high colour - number.

Maybe Pixoto should consider opening a "pure" category - with subcategories being the same as the present categories, for which one has to specifically register for voting and submitting? So Joe and Josephine Soap do not get to twiddle in the voting?

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