Fair or maybe not?

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I would like to know why my photos do not vote more than the moment when they go well. It also found a few photographers who display on your site. I read some of your explanations, but none of it is not logical. My photos of "gates" for half an hour had over 20 wins and suddenly stopped. Similarly, with the "Milan cathedral". How fair and realistic is this voting? Think about how to abolish my profile ...
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Alexa - We believe our voting to be very fair and logical but I'm not sure where your concern is. If you post a link to one of your photos with what your concern is I can take a look.
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It is very symptomatic that the my image win and have quickly progress in duels be paused when achieve 500 image score or little bit more.What I want to say - photos exhibited at the duels and in a short time (only a few hours) make a good result and then stop. I wonder how others come to 700 image score. I think it is a agreeing between the exhibitors, in order to take money. The money Is not important to me, I like the prestige and want a fair position for my photos even if it is last. I expect only fair and honest competition.But all this we do not look like it...
I do not want to say that you are responsible, I believe that you have all this started from the best intentions, but I think that you can not control the voting agreeing....
I repeat once again that the problem is only with photos who can be highly ranked ...
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I don't know if there is some agreement between some people but there is one thing I'm sure: the duels are not anymore what they used to be a few months ago. It's now almost impossible to reach a good score. And I also wonder how some images get over 700 points. Mostly in only one day or less. I think also it's impossible for the pixoto team to control this. For example: I'm your friend, you are mine. I vote for your images, you vote for me. So if you have 10-20 players doing this, it's unfair and impossible for the others to get more awards or even a good score. I know it's frustating but I don't think the pixoto team can change it. How would they know who knows who and who is fair or not??????
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I've joined Pixoto for about 3 weeks now and was lucky to get 3 first places. I have a number of shots over 700. I assure you... I haven't got an agreement with anyone.

I also have a lot of shots that do not achieve well and get 'stuck' at about 500.. And... a lot of shots that get paused in the beginning... Though I like the shots I post, that doens't mean others do... Or, maybe they really like my shots but is the other shot in the duel more appealing.

But, for the shots that do not make it.... when I look at the leaderboards I understand why... At the end of the week, in my opinion, the leaderboards really show the best shots and to me that means the voting is pretty fair.
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We have looked extensively at whether it is possible to influence results through a voting cooperative. We find that while it is possible to influence the votes in a very subtle way that given the number of duels per image, and the number of people voting, influencing the scores in any meaningful way is impossible.

Furthermore the type of behavior that is required (essentially voting for the worse image) stands out like a sore thumb and if we find it we discount that users votes from counting. We don't tell the user it's happening - their votes just don't count as much as other peoples. Many of the bad votes you see in the ImageDuel history actually don't count towards ImageScore. Luckily we don't have to do this very often (only a handful of times per week) because most people seem to be honest voters.

Michelle - you're right. It's much harder to get a good score today than it was a few months ago. Three months ago we would be lucky to get 200 images a day. Now we are getting 2,000. The quality of images coming in to Pixoto is simply astounding.
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2,000 a day? wow this is A LOT. i understand now.
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I am not talking about money!!
I'm talking about photos for two to three hours reach 500-550 image score and after that absolutely stop! Is it possible that I do not understand?
This does not logical!!
I agree that most of the winning images of superior quality!
If my or photos of other photographers are not for victory, How is it possible that they for two hours reach 500-550 image score and after that "anyone do not like it"?
Only that I would like to know ....
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We try to get new images to approximately the right ImageScore as quickly as possible. This often only takes a few hours. After that the image will either be paused or will continue to be played but not nearly as often.

It is important to understand that votes are not distributed over time. They come in waves.

Does this help?
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You (I think it was you) mentioned in another post that image scores of 600+ were due to images consistently being voted for. If an image is getting the highest score achievable in the first hour or two, does this imply that an image with the higher scores are losing no duels and are determined "better" by the algorithms as winning photos?
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good question
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I guess no much has changed since the previous post (21 days ago). A lot of my images move rather quickly to a score of approx. 500 and then the voting stops. Some of them take a second start and move up slowly towards a higher score, while others remain almost frozen. How can it be that a picture that is obviously 'liked' suddenly falls into disgrace after reaching that critical point ???.

I am also very touched by the 'Zagreb collusion' case...
I thought that this would be almost impossible within this voting concept. Question remains how much more simular abuses are still undiscovered at the moment ?

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