Duplicates & He wins best photographer of the year?

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I am looking at this guy Jbern Eugenio's album and what do I see? Duplicates after duplicates after duplicates! Is he re-posting all his shots? Might very well be! What are the admins doing about this? Nothing i can see so far. And what is the end result? The guy is in the Best Photographer 2011 list and in 2012 still duplicating his shots or re-posting. You call this kind of person a photographer? My goodness..
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Kevin Chua

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Hi Jason, thanks for your reply. File names can be easily changed and those images can be up loaded again and again and again without being detected. My suggestion is that in the Rules and Regulations that you have already, do state that shots of the same subject at different angles does not substantiate a unique submission. Especially if similarities are obvious. There are others who post shots of water droplets all the time and when closely examined, one might be able to tell that its the same setting, same background, likely taken at the same time. I always thought photography is about originality and creativity. Duplicates or people who take the same subject over and over again by adjusting the angles slightly does not show these traits. I am not certain how much screening is done over at Pixoto as there are so many pictures uploaded and I imagine there are not a whole lot of you out there to screen these all the time, but do try your best otherwise it might not inspire anyone to post their works. Another method that might work would be to issue notices from the admins to that photographer if the image is reported for something. Otherwise the photographer might just take it for granted that he or she can get away with it. The last time i brought this issue up i had quite a lot of replies from the community who also mentioned similar issues that they found as what I have described above. We as the community are not in the position to tell Pixoto exactly what to do or how to execute it or when to do it, but if there are changes seen, I am pretty sure everyone will show some kind of appreciation over time.
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Dear Jason,

I fully agree with Kevin -- we had touched upon this issue multiple times in the past (see for example

http://community.pixoto.com/pixoto/to...
http://community.pixoto.com/pixoto/to....

I think that we recognize that multiple of 'practically identical' photos is an issue. The fact that it is not as easy to monitor for such photos as is exact copies should not preclude Pixoto from having rules for excluding them. If rules exists then it becomes a shared responsibility for both us (the Pixoto players, the community as Kevin says) and Pixoto to act. We (the community) have a basis to report such photos to Pixoto, and Pixoto can take action based on these reports (from removing the photos for violating rules, to handling appeals, to asking us whether we believe this and that photos from player A are practically identical).

Would posting rules eliminate the submission of practically identical photos? Of course not. Would it be a move toward addressing the issue, absolutely yes.

And since we are on the topic. As suggested before, I am even against allowing a B&W and a color version of a photo. The photographer should decide which version of his/her photo is best and submit that one. We don't have to do his/her homework in selecting whether the B&W or the colored one is better. In other words, there should be a single Pixoto submission per "negative" (a digitally captured photo frame).
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You make good points - and we will consider them.
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Note that a side effect of practically identical photos. Lots and lots of awards awarded to same person for the same practically photo. Because, if one of these practically identical photos deemed good, then I bet almost all of them will.

To put in other words, if a person submits 20 practically the same photos (say, pretty good ones) in a category, and there are 100 photos in total submitted in that category for the week, this photographer will win practically all the weekly awards, without contributing to the advancement of "high quality photography" much more more than the guy the submitted the 21 or 22 photo and did not get any award!!!
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hi everyone,
as the one who started
this ruckus in the first place, I'm kind of glad there are a lot of like minded people out there around the world, but at the same time plenty of arrogant ones too. I haven't followed Pixoto for quite a while now, simply because of the disappointment I get from seeing duplicates and seeing the same images get to the top of the charts.
I'll just say this: how u won the award, by pure hard work and determination, or by pure laziness and just a few mouse clicks, make the kind of person u are to the rest of the world. The awards to mean something to many of us because we are starting out, venturing to semi pro, or even planning to go pro and would like to see some honest feedback. sending in duplicates or similar images simply destroy the whole idea of having awards in the first place. Even money and fame aside, I think people want honest feedback on how their images look so that they can improve.
I urge those who have not woken up from ur lazy slumber method of posting similar pics to take a good look at the overall picture and the whole essence of having Pixoto awards in the first place. I don't blame the admins for not being able to cut duplicates to an absolute zero.. it's impossible really. unless they have as many employees as maybe Apple, Google, Yahoo, etc, its virtually impossible for Jason to control this. with that said, it's up to the community to practice some ethics.
believe it or not, even the way each of us behaves in a photo community, translates to our characters in real life.
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Hi everyone,

I really recommend those who need to let off some steam take my advice.

Like Kevin I also haven't used Pixoto for almost a year now. The only thing that compelled me to even log back in was the sudden burst of activity in this forum which i commented on way back when I started using Pixoto. I actually just wanted to pass on my opinion about all of this.

Pixoto was the first photography social community I ever joined so naturally at first it was pretty exciting and rewarding to watch my photos be rated and win awards. I was a fairly active member for about 2 months... Until i discovered the underlying dissatisfaction of many Pixoto members about the duplicate winners. This drove me to dig deeper and eventually led me to many angry forums much like this one which compelled me to join the debate.

Very quickly I realized that I was wasting my breath because the Pixoto forums were and still are riddled with this topic and still the debate seems to resemble an extremely boring game of ping pong between two enraged baboons on crack.

I left Pixoto because of this negativity and unfairness long ago and honestly I've never looked back, I have since been a proud and active member of another more well thought out social photography community. There's plenty of competition, plenty of awards and a very active and positive community of kind and talented photographers, but the best thing of all there are NO RANKINGS! Which I love!

No photographer can be ranked or rated higher than another, it's purely about acknowledging your peers work and what goes around comes around. The big plus is there are sponsored and free competitions for everyone to enter and have your work JUDGED BY REAL JUDGES! Not the communtiy. The prizes are high quality, you can sell your work and the community is endorsed by inspiring photographers such as Trey Ratcliff.

Pixoto started out as a great idea but as sad as it is to say I believe Pixoto is becoming the "MySpace" of photography social networks, It's fading into the shadow of much bigger and better structured networks. I wouldn't be surprised if Pixoto have more dormant user accounts than they do active accounts.

TAKE MY ADVICE AND MOVE ON.

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